Some of my musings on Facebookhttps://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2061p75-my-articles#5951The only real fact about evolution is that it is not a fact ( macro )
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In the same sense as a watch needs a watchmaker, and a factory a factory builder, life needs a life maker.
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We are totally convinced that OJ killed Nicole, but we cannot prove it. The circumstantial evidence points to that outcome.
We are totally convinced that God created the physical world, but we cannot prove it. The circumstantial evidence points to that outcome.
When an atheist says " I don't know ", he is commonly not saying: I am actually a true agnostic and have no idea what explains best our origins. I have not examined the evidence, and just at the beginning of the journey. ( and open to let the evidence lead wherever it is and points to. ) What he REALLY says, is: I have excluded God as a compelling explanation of origins a priori ( i don't want him ), and I am open to ANY convincing explanation WITHOUT God. Science is working on it, and soon or later, answers will be found, where God is not required. Naturalism of the gaps is what goes strong with most atheists. They project on us ( God of the gaps ) what they are guilty of doing. I have found this to be often the case, and very common.
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Whatever stance on origins someone takes, it requires always a leap of faith. So the claim of atheists that believers in God stick to blind faith and gaps of knowledge, while they stick to reason, science, and logic, is a strawman at its best.
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True or false? Fake, or genuine?
We have false gospels like the prosperity gospel
Impostors that claim to be medics, lawyers, professionals of all sorts, and are not.
People that claim to be our friends, but are not.
Pastors without any credentials or abilities to be so.
Fake news
False flags, like in Syria.
All modern media controlled by the elite, to manipulate the masses.
All politics of the western world appearing to be democratic, but being essentially dictatorial.
Modern science promotes fake and bad science, based on a constraint and wrong philosophical foundation.
Good science permits all possible mechanisms to be investigated/tested.
Secular scientists claim evolution to be science, and ID to be pseudoscience - and so, inverting the real situation.
Many use fake/false identity cards
Falsified products of all sorts
Academics that do their final exams by cheating, copying their master write up from others
False brothers in Christ, which claim to follow Christ, but do not.
False religions of all sorts
False masters and spiritual leaders, which are wolves disguised as sheepherders.
False worldviews
Man pervert themselves to become " woman". And vice versa.
And the modern Zeitgeist does everything to make it socially acceptable.
If you don't, you are outed.
Politicians which buy their election through corruption
Many like false things, because they are cheaper.
They cost less and demand less effort.
But in the long run, what seems in the first instance to be cheap, can be far more expensive.
God likes what is true and genuine. HE IS truth personified.
The false God likes what is fake. Satan is a liar and the father of lies.
God likes truth
Satan likes lies
Honest people go to heaven.
Liars destiny is hell.
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Gods design is not just intelligent. It is extreme, astonishing, amazing, incredible, unfathomable, incomprehensible, beautiful, exuberant, exaggerated, extrapolating.....
Psalm 104:24-25
24 How many are your works, LORD! In wisdom you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures. 25 There is the sea, vast and spacious, teeming with creatures beyond number— living things both large and small.
God to Noah: Everything on earth will perish. But I will establish my covenant with you. You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.
Noah: I have some difficulties. Every time, I bring male and female of fishes into the ark, they die....
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Atheism. The result of willful ignorance and unbelief. But atheists believe they are on the side of reason, science, and education.
Me
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
-Benjamin Franklin
"Atheists are now here to stay. We are ready to take over the culture and move it ahead for the benefit of all mankind. Religion has ever been anti-human, anti-woman, anti-life, anti-peace, anti-reason, and anti-science. The god idea has been detrimental not only to humankind but to the earth. It is time now for reason, education, and science to take over."
-Madalyn O'Hair
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If a universe from nothing is possible, why are atheists which profess this to be possible, not multi-millionaires?
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There is no mathematical proof of Gods existence, in the same sense as 2 x 2 = 4. But if we define proof as " Beyond reasonable doubt ", then we can say, Gods existence is a proven fact - beyond a reasonable doubt. Only unreasonable atheists doubt HIS existence. Reason, btw. has NEVER been on the atheist's side.
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It is more rational to claim the earth is flat, than there is no creator.
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Technically, Moses was the first person with a tablet downloading data from the cloud
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An Atheist is someone that believes that he is the product of a chemical accident.
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Anyone that does not have developed a sound, consistent epistemological foundation and framework, upon which build its worldview and that has used that foundation to do a consistent systematic research on origins, which leads to a creator as the most adequate explanation of our origins, and knows how to defend such position with sound arguments based on philosophy, theology, and science, has in my view not reached a level of "high intellect". Most people have an advanced education in regards to their profession, but remain intellectual babies in regard to fundamental questions of our existence, and have in most cases no idea why we exist.
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If Elon Musk would send a mission to Mars, and the astronauts by landing, suddenly discover an enormous quantity of abandonded, interconnected factories there, each hosting millions of complex machines, communication channels, fast highways and cars, each car pre-programmed to drive on these highways to a specific diestination, loading and unloading goods of the right size and constitution, these factories all interconnected, and all finely adjusted to adapt to various environment conditions and change, each factory with error detection and check, and repair mechanisms, gates which recognize what materials can go in, and which out, waste bins and recycle mechanisms, Interconnected computers, and the whole factory complex is self replicating itself. Now they had to communicate to the earth, what they discovered. Do you think , they would say:
" We found the remainings of an advanced civilization of Extraterrestrials which have build complex factories ",
or would they say:
" We have discovered some sort of factory, which appear to be the result of ET's, but are rather not, probably lucky unguided random events produced these factories? "
The same situation occurs in biological Cells. Richard Dawkins said:
"Biology is the study of complex things that appear to have been designed for a purpose. "
Why not say: "Biology is the study of complex things that appear to have been designed for a purpose, and most probably are " ?
Four additional words, but a huge difference, which contrasts a whole worldview with another. One with a designer which makes sense, and one, insane and irrational.
Pick yours...
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What is the difference between "I like you", and I love you" ?
If you like a flower, you simply collect/cut her.
If you love a flower, you pour her daily with water.
Buddha.
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The more I think about our existence, the more I feel how enigmatic everything really is. Gods intelligence and power is light-years above ours. His information process abilities are far beyond what we can fathom or understand. Every hair on our head he knows its number. And names all stars in the universe. And stretched the whole universe in an instant. There are events in my life, which benefit me, where I see Gods foreknowledge and care, and i see the connections and how one event influences another, apparently unrelated, in a positive way - brought by, by Gods direct intervention and direction of events. He uses our enemies which try to attempt against us and glorifies himself by providing victory to us over them, and so show his power in our lives. How many times did he save us from an accident, and we did not even perceive it? There is some sort of middle-knowledge in play, and HE instructs HIS angels to act in our favor. His power is truly incomprehensible to our limited minds.
Most atheists have no idea what would convince them that God exists. They live in a denial state, and are unable / unwilling to look beyond, and actually scrutinize both worldviews, one with, and the other without God.
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I see it over and over: Atheists are throughout defeated in their reasoning that our existence can be explained without a creator. But once all arguments are exhausted, and they find themselves in a situation, where they cannot sustain what they tried to justify, rationally, they need to face the brute fact that God exists. And this situation demands that they make a decision. That is where will kicks in. C.S.Lewis brought it straight to the point, when he wrote, that atheists look for God, like a thief for the police station. A honest agnostic seeker, after his journey, and evaluating all evidence, has to come without doubt to the conclusion that Theism is the best ansswer after a critical analysis of the evidence that surrounds us. That brought Anthony Flew to abandone his views, and endorse deism. The quest of God IS one that demands us rationally to search him. An irrational worldview can only perpetuate based on blind faith, which unfortunately all to often is the case. But a worldview , to be true, must withstand rational , philosophic, and scientific scrutiny.
Many atheists however become misotheists, or indifferent alltogether towards questions of origins, and God. We are often acused of making baseless claims, when we point out why atheists are atheists. I agree, everyone has its personal reasons and motivations. But a general picture can be outlined. An atheist, which cannot sustain his views rationally, rejects God because of will. He does not WANT ( will ) God in his life. He thinks, life without God is better. He has the ( false ) perception and imagination that life without God will provide more freedom. And that it is not worth to obey a higher entity, whatever his laws are. Another reason is: Statistically it is proven, that most people define their position in regards of religion when they are young. Older people are accostumed into a certain lifestyle, and see no necessity of change.
In the end, the big issue is spiritual. Surrender to God is a spiritual event and transition, that is provoked by the change and moving of the "heart" ( or your inner being ), moving from a spiritual dead life, to a spiritual awakening, where God begins to dwell, interact, and live in the life of a believer.
I also think, God in his wisdom, wanted it so: It would not be just, if people of higher intelligence would have an advantage over people with less IQ/education/instruction. So God made our position to HIM a quest of our heart, a moral decision. So there is equality. Even people with a certain mental deficiency can find and worship God, and become his children.
What a blessing experience of all those, which have had the courage to be persuaded by Gods love and grace !!
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Without God, nothing matters. Soon, we would all be stardust again, and if we lived like a jerk or a saint, nobody could remember. If there is no God, and no eternity, then the best philosophy of life would be to adopt selfishness and egocentrism. Live as best as you can to please yourself, since chance to be happy, you have only here and now. Tomorrow, we be all dead. The greatest stupidity would be to live altruistic, and suffer or self sacrifice for others in order to do good motivated by love.
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Science until about one hundred years ago claimed that the universe was eternal. But then, it came to realize that most probably, it was not so. The universe had a beginning. Which is what Genesis 1 has always claimed.
Bible 1, Science 0.
Science thought the universe was eternal which means, it would not end either. But then, science came to realize as well, that far in the future, the universe will reach a state of heath death, or basically, it will die. Which is what Apocalypse, the last book of the Bible, has claimed for millennia.
Bible 2, Science 0
It might be good for skeptics and unbelievers to realize, that Gods word tells the truth, and God never fails, and never lies.
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A life without God is a waste of time
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Darwinists: At what point in past history has matter made its transition to self-awareness , and why has been able to make free choices been restricted only to humans?
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When someone discovers a DaVinci painting after exhaustive research, hidden at some place, the admiration goes to the beauty of the painting, and the ingeniosity of its creator, the painter. Little credit is given to the discoverer. Why is each year the Nobel prize given to scientists that discover amazing phenomenal new things in the molecular world, receive honors and gratifications, but repeatedly, and every year, the organizers of the Nobel prize, completely dismiss, forget, neglect and ignore to mention, remember, and give credence and honors to whom actually invented by his immense, unfathomably intelligence, and made all these things, namely God?
Psalm 19:1
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."
John 1:3
"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."
Psalm 95:3-5
"For the Lord is the great God, the great King above all gods. In his hand are the depths of the earth, and the mountain peaks belong to him. The sea is his, for he made it, and his hands formed the dry land."
Romans 1:20
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
Psalm 104:24-25
"How many are your works, Lord! In wisdom you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures. There is the sea, vast and spacious, teeming with creatures beyond number – living things both large and small."
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When you go fishing, and take a fish out of the water: Do you think: That was how my ancestors looked like, before they began walking out of the water some time ago? If so, hey, a little more respect with the poor fish
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The secret to win in a casino is: Never play.
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Thank God for the time he has given you. Do not waste it. Educating yourself and gaining knowledge is NEVER a waste of time, but the pathway of understanding, and enriches you with something that you never lose. Most people gain knowledge at school and learn a profession only in order to make a living, gain money, and think, that's enough. They never work to form a solid epistemological foundation about reality and origins. Knowledge makes you change and expand the vision of how you see the world. Learning is fun, and specially in biology, there are many moments of excitement and awe. The most precious knowledge you can gain is about God. Read and study the bible. That's theology and philosophy. Soon behind, is science, especially natural and historical sciences, like astronomy, astrophysics, chemistry, biochemistry, biology geology, history, and archeology etc. Knowledge also expands your freedom of thought, and you can incorporate it into new forms of awareness. Educate yourself !!
2 Chronicles 1.2: That night God appeared to Solomon and said to him, “Ask for whatever you want me to give you.” Solomon answered God: Give me wisdom and knowledge.
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The claim that Intelligent design is not scientific fails by the fact that this is an entirely void and irrelevant argument.
Intelligent Design is a WORLDVIEW, which draws its inferences based on science and philosophy, in the same exact sense as philosophical naturalism does.
The proponent of ID comes to his conclusion by analyzing the same exact evidence that naturalists have at hand. The only difference is, that one concludes a creative agency is required, while the other side, does not.
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I see atheists still very often rather than providing positive reasons to back up their position that no creative agency is required to explain our origins, they attack strawmen, such as claiming that the inference of intelligent design is not scientific, that most biologists reject ID, that no university accepts ID, that there is no consensus in regard to ID, that no peer reviewed papers on ID exist, that the Dover trial refuted ID, that evolution is a fact, that irreducible complexity has been refuted, and so on. None of these " arguments " provide technical scientific explanations on specific issues, and why naturalistic explanations top the inference of a causal agency as the best explanation. Atheists commonly use that tactic, because it's easy. Not much depth study of biology is required.
In regard of the claim that ID is not scientific, Ariel de la Torre made a good point: To say ID is scientific is like saying "here's a car, now by only studying the mechanisms of this car, prove to me how it was manufactured." It's a philosophical position with scientific implications.
And even biologists and scientists, often have an education about how things work, as described in biology textbooks, have often practical experience in the lab, but lack what is most important: critical thinking and skills to scrutinize the question of how what we observe in nature REALLY could have come about. Most are satisfied with what science papers offer. Not rarely, when a specific issue is raised, they make a quick google research, find respective papers on the issue, and think the mere existence of such papers grants them that their views are backed up, and sufficient explanations exist. Often, they have not even given a short look on what these papers say. They just fool themselves, because the real situation is, that, since science must find natural explanations, and they often do not exist, their alternative is to use a language that gives false hopes. It is never openly admitted that natural explanations are hopelessly inadequate. Then verbal diatribe is applied, like " most probably, we suppose, likely, we suggest, we are confident " ... and so on. That might convince who already believes naturalism is true, but it does not so who has serious and justified doubts, and skepticism.
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Evidence, logic, and reason, is it enough to persuade of truth?
If our process of formulating a consistent epistemological framework would be based solely on critical thinking, reason, logic, and evidence, there would probably not exist such an eclectic towuwabohu of different worldviews and explanations of origins.
There is, however, a decisive ingredient here, that plays a major role. And that ingredient is called bias. We have a natural tendency to analyze newly presented evidence in face of the views that we already hold, accepting evidence that is consistent with our already hold views without further scrutinize, while subjecting inferences that contradict our views to intense scrutiny.
A study came to the conclusion that persuasive arguments tended to use calm words rather than emotional or LOUD ones (such as YOU MAKE JESUS A LIAR). Usually, it requires more detail to explain a viewpoint, that in the end is persuasive, rather than using short superficial explanations.
It's also important to provide references and links that back up a viewpoint. That helps in regard to credibility.
Using wording like "it could be the case" is not necessarily a sign of weakness or uncertainty, but they help to soften the " i am right " tone and help to make an argument easier to accept.
The attention to an answer is given more to sentences given in the beginning, rather in the end. So, provide the relevant information at the beginning of an answer.
If you have not been able to persuade the counterpart after the fourth, fifth exchange, you never will.
Illustrations, metaphors and analogies are often worth more than a thousand words, and very powerful. Why do you think, did Jesus use them a lot ?
And of course, if you preach the Gospel, if the holy spirit does not convince, nothing done.
If you have not read Dale Carnegies book : How to Win Friends and Influence People, i highly recommend it. Its an EXCELLENT book, and has helped people for decades, and is a best seller ever since.
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If God is imaginary, nothing has creative powers.
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To proponents of an old earth: Can you provide a timeline, when you think, God created the various kinds ( or species ) of animals, bacterias, and plants? And when God entered his resting state, the sabbath mentioned in Genesis? What does day one, day two, etc. equal and relate to in the creation process, in the old earth chronology? And when happened the events in the Garden of Eden ?
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How can the universe expand into nothing, if nothing is the absence of anything ?
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Hey, Charly, how do you explain this ??
This Iranian snake’s tail is shaped into a bulbous structure with thin ‘legs’ jutting out that look just enough like a spider to lure the horned viper’s chosen prey: birds. While other snakes also use their tails as lures, none have lures as complex as that of this viper. The lure is moved across a rocky surface, while the snake lies in wait, the rest of its body perfectly camouflaged. When a bird – typically a warbler – swoops down to capture the spider, the snake attacks.
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It's remarkable that Christ never talked about billions of years of the age of the earth and the universe. He could have easily done that... The Bible mentions 10.000 x 10.000 angels in heaven. Jesus could have said, the past was and exists 10.000 x 10.000 years. The apostles could have reported that. Was Christ, and is God such an ambiguous communicator?
I believe the bible states FIRMLY and CLEARLY that the earth is young.
That does not remove away the problems to back it up with science IMHO.
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Do you agree?
Atheists do not exist. Only people that profess to be atheists exist.
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Atheists commonly accuse theists that they are only trying to live a moral life because of their fear of God and that it is perfectly possible to live a life, being good, without God.
If atheism were true, and no God would exist, and we would actually have knowledge of this fact, it would be horrendous.
If God would not exist, abiogenesis would not only be possible, but it would be a fact, and eventually reproducible. And biodiversity as well.
Humans, applying their intelligence, would create life in the lab, and all kind of monsters, which would at a certain point run out of control.
The fact that no moral instance would judge our misbehaviors, would be the grounding of explicit hedonism in all its forms, even the cruelest ones.
Amongst a few that would understand that justice and love is the basic requirement for a well-functioning society, what we see all over the world already, would increase drastically and fast. Murders, stealing, lying, betraying, cheating, wars, plundering, etc. would take overhand very fast. We would become savage beasts without mercy and without compassion and enslave others.
Our lives would be senseless, hopeless, meaningless, void and empty.
I am more than happy to KNOW my creator exists, and it is the just and loving gracious Lord which so much I love, which gave his life for me, and resurrected, and is giving me his hand and help to go through a world which is very much dominated by the one that hates us, but cannot overcome the ones that God saved, cleaned, and loved, and follow him.
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Why do you never see in science articles asking questions like this ? What emerged first, Genes, or the gene regulatory network, and the information to pick or suppress the right genes at the right time? Simple. Because such simple questions make it evidently clear why naturalism fails. No Nobel price needed... btw.....
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The best thing that happened to me when I was a child, was
1. My mother praying for and with me before sleeping
2. Our school teacher telling us stories of the Bible, in particular starting with Genesis, every Friday afternoon, before the weekend. I loved that.
Yes, it's not child abuse to teach children beginning from a young age the ways of the lord.
Yes, my 4yo daughter loves to go to the " Casa de Jesus", the house of Jesus.
As a father, I could not do anything better, and she will be grateful for that during her whole life.
1. Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.
2. Deuteronomy 6:5-9 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. Take to heart these words that I give you today. Repeat them to your children. Talk about them when you’re at home or away, when you lie down or get up. Write them down, and tie them around your wrist, and wear them as headbands as a reminder. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.
3. Deuteronomy 4:9-10 “But watch out! Be careful never to forget what you yourself have seen. Do not let these memories escape from your mind as long as you live! And be sure to pass them on to your children and grandchildren. Never forget the day when you stood before the Lord your God at Mount Sinai, where he told me, Summon the people before me, and I will personally instruct them. Then they will learn to fear me as long as they live, and they will teach their children to fear me also.”
4. Matthew 19:13-15 One day some parents brought their children to Jesus so he could lay his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples scolded the parents for bothering him. But Jesus said, “Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children.” And he placed his hands on their heads and blessed them before he left.
5. 1 Timothy 4:10-11 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers. Teach these things and insist that everyone learn them.
6. Deuteronomy 11:19 Teach them to your children. Talk about them when you are at home and when you are on the road, when you are going to bed and when you are getting up.
I am truly disgusted with Lawrence Krauss video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTedvV6oZjo
Luke 17New International Version (NIV)
17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
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Almost every Biochemistry and Biology textbook mentions evolution as the only explanation of origins. Almost every university teaches evolution and excludes creation / ID a priori. Nonetheless, only in 3 countries in the list below ( China, Great Britain, and in Mexico ) more than half of the population agrees that scientific evidence for evolution exists. Why ? - because there are no REAL reasons and a total lack of real evidence that points to common ancestry and biodiversity through macro-evolution. Proponents of naturalism through evolution have utterly failed with their goal to remove God from the picture. Their lame excuse that God is supernatural, and has no place in operational science, has not reached its goal. It's time that biology textbooks start to present BOTH views so every student can make up his mind by comparing the provided evidence of design and evolution. That's not only fair. Its the RIGHT procedure, give a fair chance, and both views deserve to be scrutinized and evaluated and compared against each other. I predict, that slowly, Darwin's ideas will die out, and less and fewer people will fall into the lies of the one that is not unknown to us.
God or Darwin? The world of evolution beliefs
Find out where on earth only 8% of people believe in evolution
https://www.theguardian.com/…/datablog/2009/jul/01/evolution
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What emerged first: DNA transcription and translation, or DNA replication?
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Terms coined and invented should bear the best and most explanatory power by themselves. For that, i do not like the term coined by Dembski:
" Complex specified information ".
Specified is well understood when explained what is meant. But without doing so, it remains somehow vague. When its replaced by the term instructional, it seems to me that the term by itself is more elucidating. It has a more clear semantic content, or meaning by itself. In Wiki, specifying is explained as " To bring about a specific result. ".
" Complex instructional information "
IMHO seems much clearer to me. Wiki describes instructional, giving an example :
" instructs you how to assemble the furniture. "
So the word by itself is clear and its clearly understood what is meant.
The same applies to Behe's famously coined description of
" irreducible complexity ".
Unless someone explains to a layperson what is meant, the term itself does not clarify much. When we substitute the word complexity by structure, then the term
" irreducible structure "
by itself becomes much clearer and bears a inherent semantic, self-explaining content. A structure that is irreducible, or cannot be reduced further, keeping its function.
Replacing the two key terms that define what ID stands for, namely from
complex specified information
irreducible complexity
to
complex instructional information
irreducible structure
would be in my view a major advance to bring clarity to what ID stands for.
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When someone has the intention to make a machine, a project and planning are indispensable. Normally, it requires factories to make machines. And the make of these factories also requires planning. Every step requires foreplanning. Often it takes several machines, working in a coordinated, finely tuned, interconnected manner to make one part of the machine, a subunit. And that subunit is later joined to other parts of the complex. And that subunit must fit precisely to bear a overall function. All that must be foreplanned. The import of the raw materials to the assembly place requires also planning, and complex mechanisms, like highways to bring the materials to the factory, and complex procedures to clean the raw materials, and prepare them to be used to make the machine part. All this requires often other machines as well. Once the individual parts are made, intelligence is required to assemble the complex subunits. They must be mounted in the right way, at the right place, at the right time. Its, in fact, difficult, to think about something, that requires more brainpower to be done, than to project, and make complex machines and factories. It is self-evident, that they had an inventor, a team of intelligent, highly skilled engineers as makers. Why the same logic is not applied to molecular machines and cell factories, has to do with the fact that most people have no true understanding that things in molecular biology work surprisingly similar like in man-made artifacts. And indoctrination has made that most see these issues as settled in their minds. Cells are extremely complex factories, full of machines, assembly lines, computers, software, organization, fine-tuning, error check and repair mechanisms, advanced communication systems, maintaining the right milieu and homeostasis, self-replication, energy uptake and transformation, and the amazing ability to adapt to the environment and its varying conditions. Its a far smaller leap of faith to believe, life came from a super intelligent inventor, than from no manufacturer at all.
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All living cells, conduct and require cell communication to survive.Cell communication, also known as cell signaling, involves both incoming and outgoing signals. Cells of all living organisms both respond to incoming signals and produce outgoing signals. Cell communication is a two-way street. Question: What evolved first: The mechanism to recognize and understand the ingoing signals, or the outgoing signals? And: In order for cell-cell communication to exist, there would have had to be more than one cell for life to begin...... If the emergence of one cell on a prebiotic earth is a daunting task, imagine more than one....
Do you want to expand your knowledge? Become an engaged proponent of Intelligent design. When you debate ID with non-believers, they will confront you with all sorts of arguments, to which you need to find good arguments of refutation, and explanations that top theirs. There your learning process happens. When you google and make your search on the web to find adequate answers to the challenge. Believe me. That's far better than watching a movie on Netflix. You will discover especially in the molecular world bewildering things that will amaze you, and a world that cannot be beaten by the best Science fiction movie. Reality beats fiction. What God has done to make life possible is far far beyond the wildest dreams of any molecular biologist, and science has only started to scratch the surface. Life is far far more complex than anything the human mind will ever be able to grasp. The Glycan alphabet encodes in glycosylated proteins, on the surface of cell membranes, a complex communication system far beyond the genetic code and information stored in DNA. Science is just in the beginning to unravel the meaning of the code. And that is just one of at least a dozen other code systems inside the cell. Start your journey and enjoy !!
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Why do freethinkers after their free thinking process never come to the conclusion: God did it?
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Science, peer review consensus = truth.
Religion, sheepherders, talking snakes, faith, superstition, sky daddy = fairy tale.
In the same sense as drug-abuse craves a certain behavior and reward reaction in your brain, and makes you addicted, a world-view that someone is used to, or accustomed to it, and he feels fine with, is hard to change. Many see simply no need to obey an invisible being, giving their autonomy of decisions out of their hand. They do not want to trust a higher being, but proud makes them want to keep being in control of their lives. Many see no need to trust God. There is a dictum: an old tree is difficult to straighten. That might be the reason why most people come to God at a young age, mostly as teenagers. That was also my case. And many when going through difficult times, and searching for a solution.
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The teleological argument which I most like, can be expressed in a simple syllogism:
Complex machines and factories do not self-assemble.
Biological Cells are literally complex self-replicating factories, full of molecular machines
Therefore, they are most probably due to intelligent design.
Nobody in its sane mind would defend and advocate that computers, hardware, software, a language using signs and codes like the alphabet, an instructional blueprint, complex machines, factory assembly lines, error check and repair systems, recycling methods, waste grinders and management, power generating plants, power turbines, and electric circuits could emerge randomly, by unguided, accidental events. That is, however, the ONLY causal alternative, once intelligent planning, invention, design, and implementation are excluded, to explain the origin of biological Cells, which are literally miniaturized, ultracomplex, molecular, self-replicating factories.
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The God of the Bible is terrific and terrifying at the same time. He is terrific because of his love and grace, but terrifying because of his justice.
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Darwinists commonly argue that Hoyle's analogy in regard to the self-assembly of a 747 fails, because natural selection is not random. Well, atheists do in this case, what they commonly accuse theists of doing. They quote mine Hoyles analogy and change the true significance.
What is commonly overlooked ( and so did I as well ), is the fact, that the original analogy was made to illustrate the problem of the origin of life, not evolution and emergence of biodiversity. For that reason, Hoyle's analogy is FULLY valid, and unchallenged !!
Origin of life has NOTHING to do with evolution.
http://creationevolutiondesign.blogspot.com.br/…/re-fred-ho…
Here is the relevant part of that quote by Hoyle:
"If you stir up simple nonorganic molecules like water, ammonia, methane, carbon dioxide and hydrogen cyanide with almost any form of intense energy ... some of the molecules reassemble themselves into amino acids ... demonstrated ... by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey. The ... building blocks of proteins can therefore be produced by natural means. But this is far from proving that life could have evolved in this way. No one has shown that the correct arrangements of amino acids, like the orderings in enzymes, can be produced by this method. .... A junkyard contains all the bits and pieces of a Boeing 747, dismembered and in disarray. A whirlwind happens to blow through the yard. What is the chance that after its passage a fully assembled 747, ready to fly, will be found standing there? So small as to be negligible, even if a tornado were to blow through enough junkyards to fill the whole Universe." (Hoyle, F., "The Intelligent Universe," Michael Joseph: London, 1983, pp.18-19).
The first instance that I am aware of Hoyle's use of that metaphor was reported in the science journal Nature in 1981:
"Hoyle said last week that ... the origin of life ... the information content of the higher forms of life is represented by the number 1040 000 - representing the specificity with which some 2,000 genes, each of which might be chosen from 1020 nucleotide sequences of the appropriate length .... The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that `a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein'. " (Hoyle, F., in "Hoyle on evolution," Nature, Vol. 294, 12 November 1981, p.105). >and Dawkins is clearly misleading his readers to blunt what he knows is a devastating attack on a "naturalistic" origin of life.
Further down in the article : Dawkins forgets that as he once admitted, that in:
"... the problem of how life originated on Earth. .... we cannot escape the need to postulate a single-step chance event in the origin of cumulative selection itself ... cumulative selection cannot work unless there is some minimal machinery of replication and replicator power, and the only machinery of replication that we know seems too complicated to have come into existence by means of anything less than many generations of cumulative selection!." (Dawkins, "The Blind Watchmaker," 1986, pp.139-141)
Dawkins then answered his own question:
"... how much luck are we allowed to assume in a theory of the origin of life on Earth? ... when both DNA and its protein-based replication machinery spontaneously chanced to come into existence. We can allow ourselves ...such an extravagant theory ... provided that the odds against this coincidence occurring on a planet do not exceed 100 billion billion to one." (Dawkins, Ibid, 1986, pp.143,146).
But unfortunately for Dawkins, "1 in 100 billion billion" is only 1 in 1020 (i.e. 102*109*109 = 102+9+9). That is not enough for the chance assembly of a specific chain of 15 (2015 = ~1019.5) amino acids, i.e. not even enough for one protein!
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Orchestration and timing of cellular processes require life-essential, precise timing, cross-regulation, coordination, the right sequence of processes, the right speed, at the right rate, there are checkpoint mechanisms, error checking, and repair at various stages.
Question: What emerged first: protein synthesis, or the right, precise coordination of the whole process, and its respective proteins and signaling processes doing the job?
Protein recipe requires precise timing 4
March 25, 2016
The activation of genes is a complicated biochemical endeavor akin to cooking a meal, and a new Yale study details just how precisely choreographed those steps need to be. Do cells cook the meat entrée before the vegetable? Or are these dishes cooked simultaneously? The Yale team led by Karla Neugebauer examined the intricacies of RNA splicing—the removal of RNA segments (known as introns) encoded by DNA that do not contain instructions for making proteins. The splicing machinery stitches the RNA segments together into accurate copies of mature messenger RNA that in turn sets in motion the cell's protein-making machinery. It was previously thought that splicing takes place well after transcription of the RNA segments. The Yale researchers found this crucial splicing step occurs as soon as the RNA is transcribed from the DNA template and that the timing of both transcription and splicing processes are precisely coordinated. "It's like cooking Thanksgiving dinner: The turkey and mashed potatoes need to be completely cooked and hot when the feast is served," Neugebauer said.
Splicing of Nascent RNA Coincides with Intron Exit from RNA Polymerase II 5
March 24, 2016
Here, we present two single-molecule nascent RNA sequencing methods that directly determine the progress of splicing catalysis as a function of Pol II position. Perturbations that slow the rate of spliceosome assembly or speed up the rate of transcription caused splicing delays, showing that regulation of both processes determines in vivo splicing profiles.
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The claim that Intelligent design is not scientific fails by the fact that this is an entirely void and irrelevant argument.
Intelligent Design is a WORLDVIEW, which draws its inferences based on science and philosophy, in the same exact sense as philosophical naturalism does.
The proponent of ID comes to his conclusion by analyzing the same exact evidence that naturalists have at hand. The only difference is, that one concludes a creative agency is required, while the other side, does not.
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I see atheists still very often rather than providing positive reasons to back up their position that no creative agency is required to explain our origins, they attack strawmen, such as claiming that the inference of intelligent design is not scientific, that most biologists reject ID, that no university accepts ID, that there is no consensus in regard to ID, that no peer reviewed papers on ID exist, that the Dover trial refuted ID, that evolution is a fact, that irreducible complexity has been refuted, and so on. None of these " arguments " provide technical scientific explanations on specific issues, and why naturalistic explanations top the inference of a causal agency as the best explanation. Atheists commonly use that tactic, because it's easy. Not much depth study of biology is required.
In regard of the claim that ID is not scientific, Ariel de la Torre made a good point: To say ID is scientific is like saying "here's a car, now by only studying the mechanisms of this car, prove to me how it was manufactured." It's a philosophical position with scientific implications.
And even biologists and scientists, often have an education about how things work, as described in biology textbooks, have often practical experience in the lab, but lack what is most important: critical thinking and skills to scrutinize the question of how what we observe in nature REALLY could have come about. Most are satisfied with what science papers offer. Not rarely, when a specific issue is raised, they make a quick google research, find respective papers on the issue, and think the mere existence of such papers grants them that their views are backed up, and sufficient explanations exist. Often, they have not even given a short look on what these papers say. They just fool themselves, because the real situation is, that, since science must find natural explanations, and they often do not exist, their alternative is to use a language that gives false hopes. It is never openly admitted that natural explanations are hopelessly inadequate. Then verbal diatribe is applied, like " most probably, we suppose, likely, we suggest, we are confident " ... and so on. That might convince who already believes naturalism is true, but it does not so who has serious and justified doubts, and skepticism.
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Evidence, logic, and reason, is it enough to persuade of truth?
If our process of formulating a consistent epistemological framework would be based solely on critical thinking, reason, logic, and evidence, there would probably not exist such an eclectic towuwabohu of different worldviews and explanations of origins.
There is, however, a decisive ingredient here, that plays a major role. And that ingredient is called bias. We have a natural tendency to analyze newly presented evidence in face of the views that we already hold, accepting evidence that is consistent with our already hold views without further scrutinize, while subjecting inferences that contradict our views to intense scrutiny.
A study came to the conclusion that persuasive arguments tended to use calm words rather than emotional or LOUD ones (such as YOU MAKE JESUS A LIAR). Usually, it requires more detail to explain a viewpoint, that in the end is persuasive, rather than using short superficial explanations.
It's also important to provide references and links that back up a viewpoint. That helps in regard to credibility.
Using wording like "it could be the case" is not necessarily a sign of weakness or uncertainty, but they help to soften the " i am right " tone and help to make an argument easier to accept.
The attention to an answer is given more to sentences given in the beginning, rather in the end. So, provide the relevant information at the beginning of an answer.
If you have not been able to persuade the counterpart after the fourth, fifth exchange, you never will.
Illustrations, metaphors and analogies are often worth more than a thousand words, and very powerful. Why do you think, did Jesus use them a lot ?
And of course, if you preach the Gospel, if the holy spirit does not convince, nothing done.
If you have not read Dale Carnegies book : How to Win Friends and Influence People, i highly recommend it. Its an EXCELLENT book, and has helped people for decades, and is a best seller ever since.
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“Methodological naturalism destroys the truth-seeking purpose of science, dooming it as a game with an arbitrarily restricted set of possible outcomes.” Dr. Paul Nelson
Historical sciences, and methodological naturalism
Methodological naturalism is necessary for science because science requires that as a precondition of investigating natural things. It is not necessary to elucidate historical facts however. History does not investigate by empirically determining anything. Although history does seek to answer questions about the past, it requires only that the past is rational. Rational simply means that there is a reason. So if something did happen that were an act of God in the past, then as long as that act had a reason, history can investigate it.
Credit to: Steven Guzzi
The specific complex information of living systems as,well as fine tuning agents of a life permiti g universe and immaterial truths, etc have causal materialistic dead ends. However, intelligent design is a current observable mechanism to explain design, thus are an adequate simple causal mechanism to explain these realities of our universe, its fine tuning improbabilities, information, immaterial abstracts, etc. Intelligence can and is a causal agent in the sciences such as forensics, archeology engineering, etc., thus there is no reason to rule out a priori the unobserved designer scientifically. We only rule him out by philosophical or anti religious objection, which anybody has the freewill right to do, but it isn't necessarily true or right to do so, and we can't use science to do so, if we are unbiased, correctly using the discipline. Additionally, to argue non empirical causes are inadequate would rule out many woukd be mainstream secular materialistic hypothetical causes as well. It then becomes a matter of preference to the type of causes one is willing to accept and one's preferred worldview has a lot to do with that.
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It's remarkable that Christ never talked about billions of years of the age of the earth and the universe. He could have easily done that... The Bible mentions 10.000 x 10.000 angels in heaven. Jesus could have said, the past was and exists 10.000 x 10.000 years. The apostles could have reported that. Was Christ, and is God such an ambiguous communicator?
I believe the bible states FIRMLY and CLEARLY that the earth is young.
That does not remove away the problems to back it up with science IMHO.
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Atheists commonly accuse theists that they are only trying to live a moral life because of their fear of God and that it is perfectly possible to live a life, being good, without God.
If atheism were true, and no God would exist, and we would actually have knowledge of this fact, it would be horrendous.
If God would not exist, abiogenesis would not only be possible, but it would be a fact, and eventually reproducible. And biodiversity as well.
Humans, applying their intelligence, would create life in the lab, and all kind of monsters, which would at a certain point run out of control.
The fact that no moral instance would judge our misbehaviors, would be the grounding of explicit hedonism in all its forms, even the cruelest ones.
Amongst a few that would understand that justice and love is the basic requirement for a well-functioning society, what we see all over the world already, would increase drastically and fast. Murders, stealing, lying, betraying, cheating, wars, plundering, etc. would take overhand very fast. We would become savage beasts without mercy and without compassion and enslave others.
Our lives would be senseless, hopeless, meaningless, void and empty.
I am more than happy to KNOW my creator exists, and it is the just and loving gracious Lord which so much I love, which gave his life for me, and resurrected, and is giving me his hand and help to go through a world which is very much dominated by the one that hates us, but cannot overcome the ones that God saved, cleaned, and loved, and follow him.
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Why do you never see in science articles asking questions like this ? What emerged first, Genes, or the gene regulatory network, and the information to pick or suppress the right genes at the right time? Simple. Because such simple questions make it evidently clear why naturalism fails. No Nobel price needed... btw.....
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How was evolution able to place 37 trillion cells ( 37.200,000,000,000 Cells ) at the right place in the body of homo sapiens, in a time period of 1,5 billion ( 1.500,000,000 ) years, according to evolutionary thinking? That is, when supposedly unicellular lifeforms began to develop multicellularity. Let's suppose a theoretical average lifespan of each organism of 30 years. That means there were 50mio ( 50.000,000 ) generations. That means the average mutation rate of each generation had to generate 740 thousand ( 740,000 ) mutations PER GENERATION, and as a result, NEW information to instruct the organism WHERE to add the new 740 thousand cells. That calculation dismisses all other requirements for body development, that is:
1. Kind or type of cell, that is, cell differentiation,
2. Cell size
3. It's specific function,
4. Position and place in the body. This is crucial. Limbs like legs, fins, eyes etc. must all be placed at the right place.
5. How it is interconnected with other cells,
6. What communication it requires to communicate with other cells, and the setup of the communication channels
7. What specific sensory and stimuli functions are required and does it have to acquire in regard to its environment and surroundings?
8. What specific new regulatory functions it acquires
9. When will the development program of the organism express the genes to grow the new cells during development?
11. Precisely how many new cell types must be produced for each tissue and organ?
10. Specification of the cell - cell adhesion and which ones will be used in each cell to adhere to the neighbor cells ( there are 4 classes )
11. Programming of time period the cell keeps alive in the body, and when is it time to self-destruct and be replaced by newly produced cells of the same kind
12. Set up its specific nutrition demands
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Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist
Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion
He said life creates the universe, and not the other way round
This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does
He uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point
And if space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' either
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Darwins Theory evolved from an idea he plagiarized, presented it as his theory deserving to be accepted, rather than a philosophical hypothesis, and the idea further evolved into the claim of being a Fact - by conflating what can be observed - micro-evolution, and extrapolating it to common ancestry, and macro-evolution ( primary speciation )
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It's not: " Believe me, or burn".
Its: I am knocking at the door ( of your heart ). If you let me in, I, Jesus, will come and transform you to get a new nature, become a newly transformed creature with a new heart, which will permit you to grow spiritually, and interact with me and your next, in a manner that paradise will be indeed paradise. Paradise is not, because the streets in the new Jerusalem described in apocalypse will be transparent Gold and the gateways of precious stones. Paradise is because God is there. There will be no evil, no harm, no sin, no corruption of any sort, no fear, no pain, no kind of sickness, but joyful communion with Brothers, Sisters, the bride with the fiancé, God with his children. Heaven will be a busy place. Gods Children will not be playing harps eternally, and only praise God. This is the ridiculous imagination of atheists. That is the essence of heaven. And the bride will reign with God in all eternity.
Why should unrepented sinners go to heaven? Their permanence there would be worse than in hell. They would BEG God to let them go to hell. A sinner in heaven would be in a WORSE state than in hell. So even by letting a sinner go to hell, God is applying grace, by letting him go to where He chose freely to go. Sinners will bow their knee FREELY to the lamb, even knowing that they will be cast into hell because they will admit that their judgment was righteous. Black and white do not combine. Sin and holiness/purity do not combine. A sinner in Gods presence will immediately perceive his dirtiness. Gods children can approach Gods throne only because Christ's righteousness was applied to them. And we are free to do this spiritually, today. After Adam and Eve sinned, they were cast out of paradise, and the tree of life. If would be a disgrace, if the state of sin would endure eternally. That's why this reality is doomed to pass. But Gods new heaven, and a new earth will endure forever. Gods plans are perfect. He deserves our praise and trust.
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God is a fact
Creation is a fact
Intelligent design is a fact
Adaptation is a fact
Change over time is a fact
Variation of alleles is a fact
Limited common ancestry is a fact
Pre-programmed evolution is a fact
Natural Selection up to two mutations is a fact
Epigenetic plus Genes define body form is a fact
That Darwin was wrong is a fact
Irreducible complexity and Interdependence extends in all biology - is a fact
Life comes only from life is a fact
Abiogenesis is impossible - is a fact
Fossils disprove Darwin's theory - is a fact
Darwin's theory has been falsified multiple times - is a fact
Planets and stars do not form through accretion - is a fact
The universe is finely tuned to host life - is a fact
The physical laws and the physical universe are interdependent - a fact
Our existence is best explained through Intelligent Creation - is a fact - in my opinion.