https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1753-a-cumulative-case-for-the-god-of-the-bible
When you weigh the NT historical evidence against any other major or minor religion, you will discover that Christianity is far beyond any of them because Christianity is all based on eyewitness testimonies, and is backed up by external historical evidence. We have as well over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament, that fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We have the Shroud of Turin. We have with high probability found the Ark of Noah on Mount Ararat. We have evidence of the Exodus.
The steps of progression to elaborate an epistemologically solid world view goes as follows:
1. The starting point is to recognize that today, with the internet, we have a wealth of information, based on science, philosophy, and theology, permitting to come to meaningful conclusions in regards of origins. Remaining agnostic is not justified.
2. Defining a solid epistemological framework that minimizes assumptions, excluding scientism or verificationism, and permitting a holistic examination of evidence including scientific, philosophical, and theological considerations. The best methodology to make meaningful inferences and conclude the best, most accurate world view is based on the current wealth of knowledge of operational and historical sciences, philosophy, and theology.
3. Disposition to analyze the evidence as much as honest and unbiased as possible, permitting it to lead wherever it is. An unbiased starting point for inquiry of world views and explanations of origins is essential in order to come as close as possible to gain a realistic understanding of reality that includes physics and metaphysics. That means proper understanding of science, philosophical and theological explanations and searching for truth without eliminating possible theistic implications a priori.
4. Research of falsifiable scientific evidence and philosophical considerations which after careful evaluation point to Intelligence as a better causal agent/mechanism to explain our existence rather than naturalistic explanations.
5. The inference of intelligent design/creationism leads to deism, theism, and/or pantheism.
6. Philosophical considerations lead to agnostic theism
7. Comparative religions and historical evidence point to God of the Hebrews/Abraham.
8. Internal evidence constrains the choice of Judaism. Islam, Christianity, and born-again Christianity.
9. How we proceed in the cumulative case for Christianity is a much more detailed step. Ultimately we are not talking about "proof" like in repeated experimentation...but rather a preponderance of the evidence. There's no empirical proof for the Resurrection or the Virgin birth. These, too, are based on faith and the cumulative case made for Christianity. Ultimately it is the conviction of the Holy Spirit to believe in the miracles of Jesus and His Lordship/Deity.
Is the Bible Historically Accurate?
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1974-is-the-bible-historically-accurate
Are the Bible & the Gospels Reliable?
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1506-are-the-gospels-reliable
Evidence of the historical Jesus
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1676-evidence-of-the-historical-jesus
Evidence of the ressurrection
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1764-evidence-of-the-ressurrection
The Impossible Faith: A Defense of the Resurrection
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2502-the-impossible-faith-a-defense-of-the-resurrection
The shroud of turin
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1688-the-shroud-of-turin
Fullfilled prophecies in the bible
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2435-fullfilled-prophecies-in-the-bible
Noah's Ark has been found with high probability on Mount Ararat
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2940-noah-s-ark-has-been-found-with-high-probability-on-mount-ararat
Evidence of Exodus
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1718-evidence-of-exodus
The Kalaam leads to the God of the Bible
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2877-the-kalaam-leads-to-the-god-of-the-bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcACl_tJ2c&t=142s
1:08 Properties of the first cause
5:11 Event causation or Agent causation?
8:00 How can a mind exist in a timeless dimension, trigger a Transition from timelessness to time?
13:12 How can a mind exist without a body beyond the universe?
15:06 How could God have created the universe without time?
16:11 Is claiming that God is eternal, special pleading?
18:06 Properties of the first cause
30:29 Philosophical and scientific considerations match with the biblical account about the origin of the Universe
30:53 Endnotes
The universe had a beginning, therefore a cause
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9UMDiiE0kY&t=75s
1:15 The claim: Something cannot come from nothing does not need to be proven
3:15 Virtual particles do not come from absolutely nothing but require a quantum vacuum
7:36 Premise two: The universe began to exist
9:35 Scientific reasons to conclude that the universe has a beginning
16:32 Further scientific evidence why the universe cannot be past eternal
18:35 Philosophical reasons why the universe nor quantum effect potentials cannot be past eternal
Aquinas showed us that the attributes of a true God are logically deduced. Properties of the first cause:
1. Supernatural in nature, (As it exists outside and beyond of the natural physical universe),
2. Uncaused, beginningless, and eternal (self-existent, as it exists without a cause, outside of time and space, besides the fact that infinite regress of causes is impossible. ),
3. Omnipresent & all-knowing (It created space and is not limited by it),
4. Changeless ( Change depends on physical being )
5. Timeless ( Without physical events, there can be no time, and time began with the Big Bang )
6. Immaterial (Because He transcends space and created matter),
7. Spaceless ( Since it created space)
8. Personal (The impersonal can’t create personality, and only a personal, free agent can cause a change from a changeless state )
9. Enormously Powerful ( Since it brought the entire universe, space-time and matter into existence )
10. Necessary (As everything else depends on it),
11. Absolutely independent and self-existent ( It does not depend on a higher causal agency to exist otherwise there would be infinite regress which is impossible )
12. Infinite and singular (As you cannot have two infinities),
13. Diverse yet has unity (As all multiplicity implies a prior singularity),
14. Intelligent (Supremely, to create everything, in special language, complexity, factories and machines),
15. Purposeful (As it deliberately created everything with goals in mind),
An agent endowed with free will can have a determination in a timeless dimension to operate causally at a (first) moment of time and thereby to produce a temporally first effect
1. God is supernatural in nature Acts 17:24-25
2. God is uncaused, beginningless, and eternal 1 Timothy 1:17
3. God is omnipresent & all-knowing Psalm 139:7-12; Jeremiah 23:24
4. God is unchanging Malachi 3:6
5. God is immaterial (spirit) John 4:24
6. God is personal John 4:24, 1 Thessalonians 5:18, Isaiah 25:1, Isaiah 63:7, Psalm 78:1, 1 Chronicles 16:8, Micah 4:12, Job 29:4, 2 Corinthians 13:14
7. God is enormously Powerful Genesis 17:1
8. God is timeless Revelation 1:8
9. God is necessary Genesis 1:1
10. God is omniscient ( All-knowing ) Psalm 147:4-5
11. God is absolutely independent and self-existent Isaiah 46:9
12. God is One, yet He exists in three persons Matthew 3:16-17
13. God is extraordinarily intelligent Jeremiah 32:17
14. God is all-understanding Psalm 147:5
15. God is purposeful
The origin of the universe (sometimes called the Cosmological Argument: if the universe had a beginning, who is its Beginner?)
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1297-the-universe-most-probabaly-had-a-beginning
The Teleological argument (sometimes call the Design Argument )considerations based on perceived evidence of deliberate design in the natural or physical world, which includes:
The fine tuning of the universe
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1277-fine-tuning-of-the-universe
The origin of chemical elements, galaxies, stars and planets
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1922-chronology-and-timeline-of-origins-of-the-universe-life-and-biodiversity-the-lack-of-explanatory-power-open-questions-and-refuted-claims-of-naturalism
The origin of life (a scientifically intractable problem)
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1279-abiogenesis-is-impossible
The origin of biodiversity
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2316-where-do-complex-organisms-come-from
The Argument from Reason (how can we reason if reason did not produce us?)
http://www.reasonsforgod.org/the-best-reasons/the-argument-from-reason/
The Moral Argument (we all recognize a moral law; who then is the moral Lawgiver?)
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1369-the-moral-argument-for-gods-existence
Fulfilled prophecy in the bible
http://www.100prophecies.org/
The resurrection of Jesus Christ
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1764-evidence-of-the-ressurrection
The occurrence of miracles
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/miracle.html
Can Science Identify the Intelligent Designer?
http://www.reasons.org/articles/can-science-identify-the-intelligent-designer
The Kalaam leads to the God of the Bible
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2877-the-kalaam-leads-to-the-god-of-the-bible
Is the Bible Historically Accurate?
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1974-is-the-bible-historically-accurate
The Cumulative Case for Christianity
http://cumulativecase.blogspot.com.br/2014/03/the-cumulative-case-for-christianity.html
The Evidence for Christianity
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1373-the-evidence-for-christianity
The shroud of turin
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1688-shroud-of-turin
Evidence of the resurrection
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1764-evidence-of-the-ressurrection
We have no access through our senses to prove empirically what ultimate reality is. If God exists, or not, cannot be known scientifically. That's why it makes no sense to ask for proofs of Gods existence. All we can do is evaluate, and figure out the preponderance of the evidence, where it leads to.
The steps of progression go as follows:
1. The starting point with the recognition that agnosticism or ignorance has no justification in the age of information.
Limited causal alternatives do not permit to claim of " not knowing "
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/t1810-limited-causal-alternatives-for-origins
2. Defining a solid epistemological framework, excluding scientism or verificationism, and permitting a holistic examination of evidence including philosophical and theological considerations. The best methodology to make meaningful inferences and conclude the best, most accurate world view is based on the current wealth of knowledge of operational and historical sciences, philosophy, and theism.
Positivism and the Presumption of Atheism
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/t1759-cientism-and-verificationism?highlight=verificationism
3. Disposition to analyse the evidence as much honest and unbiased as possible, permitting it to lead wherever it is. A unbiased starting point for inquiry of world views and explanations of origins is essential in order to come as close as possible to gain a realistic understanding of reality that includes physics and metaphysics. That means proper understanding of science, philosophical and theological explanations and searching for truth without eliminating possible theistic implications a priori.
4. Research of falsifiable scientific evidence and philosophical considerations which after careful evaluation point to Intelligence as a better mechanism to explain our origins than naturalistic explanations.
These include the inquiry of:
The ontological argument is the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence or reality as well as the basic categories of being and their relations
http://www.strangenotions.com/god-exists/#13
The origin of the universe (sometimes called the Cosmological Argument: if the universe had a beginning, who is its Beginner?)
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1297-the-universe-most-probabaly-had-a-beginning
The Teleological argument (sometimes call the Design Argument )considerations based on perceived evidence of deliberate design in the natural or physical world, which includes:
The fine tuning of the universe
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1277-fine-tuning-of-the-universe
The origin of chemical elements, galaxies, stars and planets
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1922-chronology-and-timeline-of-origins-of-the-universe-life-and-biodiversity-the-lack-of-explanatory-power-open-questions-and-refuted-claims-of-naturalism
The origin of life (a scientifically intractable problem)
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1279-abiogenesis-is-impossible
The origin of biodiversity
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2316-where-do-complex-organisms-come-from
The Argument from Reason (how can we reason if reason did not produce us?)
http://www.reasonsforgod.org/the-best-reasons/the-argument-from-reason/
The Moral Argument (we all recognize a moral law; who then is the moral Lawgiver?)
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1369-the-moral-argument-for-gods-existence
Fulfilled prophecy in the bible
http://www.100prophecies.org/
The resurrection of Jesus Christ
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1764-evidence-of-the-ressurrection
The occurrence of miracles
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/miracle.html
5. The inference of intelligent design / creationism leads to deism, theism or pantheism.
6. Philosophical considerations lead to agnostic theism
7. Specifics about various evidences leads to the conclusion of Infinite Creator.
8. Comparative religions and historical evidence points to God of the Hebrews/Abraham.
9. Internal evidence constrains the choice of Judaism. Islam, Christianity, and born-again Christianity.
10. How we proceed in the cumulative case for Christianity is a much more detailed step. Ultimately we are not talking about "proof" like in repeated experimentation...but rather a preponderance of the evidence. There's no empirical proof for the Resurrection or the Virgin birth. These too are based on faith and the cumulative case made for Christianity. Ultimately it is the conviction of the Holy Spirit to believe in the miracles of Jesus and His Lordship/Deity.
11. Finally, born again christianity is the most consistent view.
Can Science Identify the Intelligent Designer?
http://www.reasons.org/articles/can-science-identify-the-intelligent-designer
Is the Bible Historically Accurate?
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1974-is-the-bible-historically-accurate
The Cumulative Case for Christianity
http://cumulativecase.blogspot.com.br/2014/03/the-cumulative-case-for-christianity.html
The Evidence for Christianity
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1373-the-evidence-for-christianity
The shroud of turin
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1688-shroud-of-turin
Evidence of the resurrection
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1764-evidence-of-the-ressurrection
The steps of progression to elaborate an epistemologically solid world view goes as follows:
1. The starting point with the recognition that agnosticism or ignorance has no justification in the age of information.
2. Defining a solid epistemological framework, excluding scientism or verificationism, and permitting a holistic examination of evidence including philosophical and theological considerations. The best methodology to make meaningful inferences and conclude the best, most accurate world view is based on the current wealth of knowledge of operational and historical sciences, philosophy, and theism.
3. Disposition to analyze the evidence as much honest and unbiased as possible, permitting it to lead wherever it is. An unbiased starting point for inquiry of world views and explanations of origins is essential in order to come as close as possible to gain a realistic understanding of reality that includes physics and metaphysics. That means proper understanding of science, philosophical and theological explanations and searching for truth without eliminating possible theistic implications a priori.
4. Research of falsifiable scientific evidence and philosophical considerations which after careful evaluation point to Intelligence as a better mechanism to explain our origins than naturalistic explanations.
5. The inference of intelligent design/creationism leads to deism, theism or pantheism.
6. Philosophical considerations lead to agnostic theism
7. Specifics about various evidence leads to the conclusion of Infinite Creator.
8. Comparative religions and historical evidence point to God of the Hebrews/Abraham.
9. Internal evidence constrains the choice of Judaism. Islam, Christianity, and born-again Christianity.
10. How we proceed in the cumulative case for Christianity is a much more detailed step. Ultimately we are not talking about "proof" like in repeated experimentation...but rather a preponderance of the evidence. There's no empirical proof for the Resurrection or the Virgin birth. These too are based on faith and the cumulative case made for Christianity. Ultimately it is the conviction of the Holy Spirit to believe in the miracles of Jesus and His Lordship/Deity.
Here some points to consider: The greatest fact of history is the resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The resurrection of Christ was witnessed by His disciples, as well as many others. The disciples were afraid after Jesus died and went into hiding. It’s only because they witnessed Jesus having rose from the dead that they had the courage to preach the Christian Gospel at the risk of being put to death.
Christianity would not have succeeded if Christ had not risen from the dead. The disciples wouldn’t have had the courage to preach that Christ is Lord and Savior and that salvation is only through His name if they really believed Christ was still dead.
The unique message of the Christian Gospel that men cannot save themselves, as the other religions taught, and that only through Christ’s atoning work on the Cross can men be saved was an unwelcome message and could not have been invented or originated from men. The early Christians were threatened with torture and death for preaching such a message.
The Apostles performed signs and wonders as evidence of their authority. We could not have even gotten the Christian Scriptures and the spread of the Christian faith without the Apostles providing objective (scientific) evidence that they spoke for God. All of this constitutes forensic science supporting the Christian Scriptures to be the Word of God. Therefore, we can trust that the Bible we now have is of divine and supernatural origin and that the men who wrote the original Scriptures were, indeed, guided by God so that it was error free.
There are numerous scientific truths in the Bible giving evidence that the writers of Scripture were, indeed, guided by God. For example, the Bible tells us in Isaiah 40:22 that the Earth is a sphere: “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in” (KJV). The word “circle” in the passage comes from the original Hebrew word meaning “sphere.”
In Job 26:7 we read that the Earth is suspended in space: “He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing” (NIV).
In Isaiah 55:10 we read about the evaporation and condensation cycle: “As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater” (NIV).
In Psalm 8:8, the Bible states that there are ocean currents in the depths of the sea, something only discovered in modern times. There are many more examples that can be cited.
It is from science we know that the Bible is God's Word and, therefore, it is totally scientific to judge the scientific theories of men by Scripture. We need not prove scientifically everything in the Bible to know that it's true. That's not necessary because, as mentioned, once it has been shown from science that the Bible must be of divine origin then it stands to reason that whatever Scripture teaches on any subject must be true. No further external or scientific evidence is necessary.
Hugh Ross, Why the Universe is the way it is, page 77:
The Bible claims to come from the Cosmic Manufacturer. So although its primary purpose is not to describe the physical details of the universe and Earth, what it says about them should match observable reality. Checking those details can be done more easily today than in the past because so many more characteristics of the universe, Earth, life, and humanity have been discovered—including the physics of our cosmic beginning. If authors writing 2,000 to 3,500 years ago accurately recorded detailed information about the universe, Earth, and life not found in any other ancient text, and if modern scientific discoveries consistently prove all that information correct, then we have powerful evidence those details must have been inspired by a Source beyond humanity.
-Only the Christian God is both personal (in Christ) and absolute (beyond the material world and expanding into infinite space and is eternal and all-knowing and everywhere at once). All other gods are either one or the other; personal and just a little larger than man, i.e. Greek gods. Or…they are so abstract and absolute that they are unknowable, such as Allah.
-Since the Christian God is both personal and absolutely powerful and all present at the same time; only the Christian religion is coherent and can be the foundation for experience and reality.
a. The Christian God can be the source of keeping nature uniform for science to operate.
b. The Christian God can account for the existence of invisible entities such as laws of thought or logic, beauty, propositions, spirits, etc.
c. The Christian God can be the only true source for personal morality and these morals are an expression of an absolute powerful and all knowing God. Therefore, since this morality (expressed in the ten commandments and other biblical laws) is above man, it is a perfect source for government laws, Church laws, and personal morals.
11. Finally, born again christianity is the most consistent view.
With all of the different religions, how can I know which one is correct?
https://www.gotquestions.org/correct-religion.html
Atheists err when asking for material evidence to prove God's existence
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/t2256-atheists-err-when-asking-for-material-evidence-to-prove-god-s-existence
There are many areas from which we can collect data and we argue that the cumulative case points to the God of the Bible: the universe had a beginning (the Bible recorded this thousands of years ago); the universe is very delicately balanced (fine tuned for life) including the weak and strong nuclear forces, gravity and electromagnetic force, the precise conditions of the Big Bang (the slightest change would have resulted in collapse or too rapid an expansion); the placing of the Earth within the solar system, the structure and placing of solar system within the Milkyway, the placing of the Milkyway in relation to other systems in space; the DNA with all its particular information for all the functions needed for life; irreducible complexity in living systems; the discoverable nature of the universe; the existence of logic and mathematics; our ability to reason and think freely and logically; our exercise of freewill; our inate sense of objective morality; our inate sense of purpose; etc, etc. All these point to an Intelligent Designer. Then, we consider the 300+ prophecies fulfilled by Jesus of Nazareth; the fact that the Apostles all suffered the loss of everything rather than recant their claim to having witnessed the risen Christ leads you to the God of the Bible. Now, that leads us to infer the Christian worldview.
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