I have followed in recent weeks from a sideline Smokey "Saints" interactions and chat comments. It is almost like a red line going through ALL his comments: He fires like someone with a multi-barrel Gatling gun in all directions through his bad behavior, and name-calling, causing anger, rage, not only amongst atheists but as well amongst our brothers in Christ. After I wrote an open email to a few of you, six weeks ago ( see below ), he replied to me with : fuck you. My reply was: We are done. That was my last interaction with him.
If you interact at his channel, be his guest in a stream, and interact at the chats, you are giving his channel wings, and feeding and condoning his behavior. Who remains silent to such behavior, consents. His modo-operandi is not Christ-like, despite that he considers and confesses himself a Christian. It's not enough to confess Christ. We must demonstrate with our behavior that we truly follow Christ, and do what He commands us to do. The only way to respond adequatedly, once he has not listened to any admonishment, is to stop interacting with him and let him alone. But if you are fine, that the name of our Lord is being pulled into the dirt through bad-mouthing "Saints", that's up to you and the Lord.
Smokey Saint <email@example.com>
Sep 12, 2020, 4:50 PM
subject: Re: Grow up people - this is ridiculous
Here is an idea, (vulgarity necessary) Shut the Fuck up all of you and Move on. I already have.
date: Oct 24, 2020, 10:16 AM
subject: Re: Critique of Smockey's hate speech
date: Sep 12, 2020, 4:35 PM
subject: Re: Grow up people - this is ridiculous
I am disturbed by the low level of politeness and graciousness on my channel observing the exchange in the chats during the live streams. In special, when I see brothers in Christ calling unbelievers with nicknames which are clearly pejorative and treating them with harshness. When I see this, I ask myself: Are we doing our best we can do, which the Lord deserves, by treating atheists as they are used to treat us? With name-calling and personal attacks? Evil is only overcome with love. What we want, is, that when they interact with us, that they see Christ in us, and not the old man. We want, that they find something attractive, that they don't have. They need to see a difference. They need to wish to become like us. But when we behave like them, or even worse, in some cases, how are we intending to be an instrument to win them for Christ? Name-calling unbelievers and looking towards them in a condescending manner is arrogant, and not Christ-like. Then, we are clearly missing the entire point, and rather than drawing them to Christ, we disperse and give them more reasons to seek distance from us, the body of Christ, and from Christ himself. Acting as Christ did is not being weak. It is being Christ-like. HE is our model of behavior, which we want to follow.
Remember: We will be judged upon how much we loved our next. So I admonish all of us, I included: Lets police ourselves. Let's stop behaving arrogantly. Let's start calling the people we interact with their real names ( or their nickname which they approve). The truth is with us. But not only is it important that we propagate the truth but how we do it. We want to go into the land of the enemy, and through our mission, make it possible that some are gained for Christ. That will not happen when we build a wall. But only, when we see them not as above or below us, but on the same eye level. The only difference that separates them from us is the fact, that we received grace. They didn't (yet). We need to build bridges and trust. That takes time. Besides this, let's not forget, this is a spiritual battle. If you are not spending time praying for those that the Lord is giving you to reach out, the mission is a failure from the start. The Lord listens to our prayers and acts upon what we ask in his name. God will touch the listener of our testimony, and our arguments, when our words are covered with the flames of the holy spirit. But that is only the case when we pray. Are you spending time to pray, before you enter the battle, a chat room, or a comments section in a live stream? If you neglect it, start doing it. It is the moment when we win the battle.
1. Corinthians 3:11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. ( this certainly goes as well in regards of unbelievers )
1 Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
Ephesians 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
James 4:11 Do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
Smokey Saint <firstname.lastname@example.org>
para: Otangelo Grasso <email@example.com>
data: 26 de out. de 2020 20:32
assunto: limited time offer
You have behaved in bad form, even by the secularist standards. I'm reaching out to you directly instead of behind your back because maybe I can show you what integrity and manhood looks like by example. You have an issue with me and you have painted a false narrative in order to try and inspire dislike towards me. You have behaved with dishonest, mal-intent, and a level of hypocrisy that is staggering to try and quantify. I gave you warning, I told you to just keep my name out of your filthy fat mouth, but you just couldn't help yourself, so you write an email to tons of people and do so in a way to paint a false narrative and deprive me of the opportunity to defend myself or provide my side of your accusations.
So, as of right now, you have severely damaged your reputation with many around me. When I brought you up, many were shocked to learn that you would engage in such disgusting, dishonest and underhanded behavior but somehow keep your head high thinking you are operating as a Christian. This level of cognitive dissonance is usually reserved for the Atheists, you have certainly impressed me with how incredibly low your personal character actually is Otangelo.
Well, limited offer expiring in 2 hours. You can meet me on stream and try to clear the air and discuss your disastrous recent ethical failings and perhaps give me the chance to actually address your accusations like a man, not a little whiney woman who goes and makes a bunch of noise and gossips about people when they aren't aware. 6:30PM this offer expires and you are on the smoke list and I pull out my correspondence and yours to show that you are a dishonest garbage excuse of a man and say how I offered you the chance to clear the air like a man and address this but you declined because you are just a man of disgusting inferior character as you have already displayed in your recent decisions.
We talked private and had an agreement you would leave me alone and I would do the same for you. I wouldn't talk about your inept discernment and useless ministry or your incompetence at debating any spiritual issue that doesn't have science as a core component, or how you somehow think anyone gives a crap about 2 hour long hyper technical dissertations on terminology about 1% of the audience is familiar with. You are so out of touch it is painful but you got all the advice in the world for everyone else when you are about as useful as a lump on a log. I haven't gone in at you Otangelo, I haven't used you as an example of the stupid failures of this ridiculous flaccid little community of useless sycophants, but you are REALLY tempting me.
Otangelo Grasso <firstname.lastname@example.org>
para: Smokey Saint <email@example.com>
data: 30 de out. de 2020 13:02
If i did any wrongdoing, i asked you for forgiveness, and you replied with: Fuck you. Matthew 18:21-3521 ¶Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
You hurt people, also brothers in Christ. You think that is ok. I don't think so, and will try to give support to people which have been hurt by you. I did not include you in my email, because it's meaningless. You have already demonstrated that you are unwilling to change. Unlike you, I love peace, I forgive who asks me for forgiveness whenever possible, and I am not in the business to erect walls, but bridges.
Unlike you and Nicholas, I am not in the business to judge and condemn people. Christ has never asked us to do so because HE is the righteous judge.
Leave me alone.
Apparently, my proposal to Smokey setting an endpoint to his senseless namecalling, constant contempt, rage, and anger towards me and others has met death ears.
To recapitulate: Smokey's entire contempt with me started after an email, which I did send to a group of people, including you. It was directed to ALL, not only you. But you took it personally. That is when your contempt against me started. You complain that I did not post your entire response, to which in the end you said the F*** Y** word. Since I deleted that email, feel free to post it entirely. In the meantime, I will make public our other exchanges, so people can judge for themselves about what you wrote to me, including your extortion attempt.
What is happening, is precisely what I complained about during our conversation ( which was actually more kind of a boring monologue, it seems you love to listen to yourself talking ), namely the concern about how atheists look at this " community ", which would probably better be described as " dividedness". Look how Sea Wolf replied, and I cannot do otherwise than actually agree with his point. Your foul language is a failure and an embarrassment. That is proven by how atheists judge you and your methods.
After 1:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAiV8G6jXk&t=6514s
The cause of the laugh of atheists is obvious. All you express is the old man, the works of the flesh.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, Envyings, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
You claim that God must remove you in a supernatural act in order for you to accept that your approach is not productive and inadequate. As said in my previous comment, that is not necessary. God tells us in his word what the fruits of the holy spirit are:
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things, there is no law.
That is also seen when we rebuke someone. I am not against doing it. Loving others requires that we graciously correct them when they fall into error. None of this shines through in your constant rants and rotten foul disgusting language and namecalling, which is remarkably elaborated and variated, but in an evil way. Not only against atheists but against anyone that holds a different theological view than you do, or in my case, because I don't be judgemental as you are. After this stream, I have received several messages of support, both, from atheists, and believers. Publicly, and in private.
Your excuse that you did not accept my request for forgiveness and setting an endpoint to all this because I actually do not understand your point of contempt is lame. Since I asked you again to forgive and to stop your twist with me after you informed me about your motivations, but still did not accept my request, is telling. Your motivations seem to be others. Namely, you have made it a hobby to behave like an obnoxious a**h*** to anyone. You like it. You feel good after you sadistically humiliate your "enemy". Somehow, it must give you a kick, or orgasmic mental pleasure. Your concern is evidently not to bring someone back to the right track. I am not a psychoanalyst, but usually, people behave as such, when they have been abused in childhood, carry some trauma with low self-esteem, and attempt to overcome it by demonstrating to others how righteous and more moral and superior they are. It doesn't matter that you deny this. Your behavior demonstrates this. So you cannot forgive, otherwise, you lose one of your targets, which are an asset. How perverted this is.
You seem to think that holding an orthodox, " correct " biblical theology is enough to be a Saint, a Child of God, on the side of truth, and righteousness. Is that? Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
I am not entitled to judge you but admonishing you as a brother in Christ. And I would be surprised if others have not done this before. It might continue to fall on death ears. You might think that I am not that powerful super evangelist, and therefore, what I say, is not worth your attention. Be it. With all that said, I don't think I am better than you, or anyone else. I am as well a fallible human being. I need the Lord's grace daily, as anyone. But I think your behavior has to be addressed because it does not affect only you. I do not remain silent, because I do not consent. “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Others give you support and chastise me. Be it. I think I am doing the right thing. My report is to the Lord, not to those that make empty accusations against me.
Let's be clear. You are chastising and name-calling me because supposedly I am too fluke in how I deal with unbelievers. That, seemingly, deserves your scorn against me and does not deserve that I am being treated with respect and dignity.
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