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Otangelo Grasso: This is my personal virtual library, where i collect information, which leads in my view to the Christian faith, creationism, and Intelligent Design as the best explanation of the origin of the physical Universe, life, biodiversity


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101My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:39 am

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Why is there existence rather than not ? If there was nothing , there would still be nothing. But we are here. Therefore, existence has always existed. In one form or the other. Using this rationale will lead you never to : there is NO GOD.

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102My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:56 am

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At the end of the book of materialism 27: nothing started to flirt with nothing, and ended up provoking an accident, which suddely turned into a precisely tuned expansion of space and matter, forming gas, which formed stars, which formed planets, which formed planet earth with water surrounding the sun, which formed a moon surrounding planet earth, and the earth formed life randomly. And life produced a brain. And the brain produced consciousness. And consciousness became self aware, and became aware that 2 plus 2 is 4, and thinking and claiming stupid things is stupid. 😀😉

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103My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:04 am

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Good science = clear evidence and rational logical sound inferences which are not restricted a priori by philosophical ideologies.
Bad science = unclear evidence and inferences based on blind faith and wishful thinking based on philosophical a priori commitments to a certain brand of worldview.

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104My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:05 am

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I never ask atheists to prove that the natural world is all there is, unless they claim in absolute terms, thate there is no God, which occurs more frequently than some might think. I claim that design is the ONLY plausible and rational inference and explanation that we have of origins. Chance is not a mechanism, nor an explanation. And claiming of not knowing is unjustified, because we know that luck can't create universes, and the universe had a beginning, it is not eternal.

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105My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:41 am

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Asking an atheist to apreciate  evidence of Gods existence in creation, is as asking a blind to apreciate DaVinci's Mona Lisa.

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106My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:44 am

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1 x 1 = 1  Theist: Genesis  1.1:   God x His power = Universe
0 x 0 = 1  Positive Atheist:  Krauss :  Absolutely Nothing x bang = Universe

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107My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:36 am

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When we say no to God, we basically say that we do not trust that God is above us in terms of intelligence, knowledge, understanding, wisdom, morality, capacity of decision making. We say to him, that he is not worth and capable of inspiring and guiding us, in order for us to make better choices, living a better life, than we are capable of, when we do everything autonomously to him, and on our own. We are saying to HIM: You are not worth being my God and Lord. Basically, we deprive him from the right that he has naturally, because HE is our creator. The natural order of the relationship of Gods creatures made upon his image with HIM, the very purpose why we exist in the first place, is interrupted, corrupted, and broken.

Reasoning, choices, decisions and moral behaviour is all not influenced by the holy spirit dwelling in the life of the believers in God, driving spirit which corrects, instructs, guides, shows the right paths to live a godly life, but its all subdue and influenced to its own fallen nature and inclinations. The vacuum left by mans creator in his life, man has to tap and fill with substitutes. But there is no alternative to God, and so, mans life becomes futile, he lives on appearance rather than on substance, tries to demonstrate to others something that he clearly isn't, tries to be right when he isn't, tries to be important when he istnt, promotes causes which he thinks are important to be defended, when they aren't, tries to hide his moral bankrupcy. Accuses others of dishonesty, when he is guilty of it.

He has to find reasonable substitutes to questions which only God can answer. Since they aren't there, he fills the gaps with made up hypotheses which he can only hope that they are true. Cognitive dissonance and nihilism, and in the end, despair and impacience is the result. A Godless life is truly an empty life, and not to be desired to anyone.

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108My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:39 am

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Everything happens for a reason. Our existence happens for a reason. That is Gods action.

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109My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:30 am

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The rejection and unwillingness of unbelievers to acknowledge the inferences drawn based on science, philosophy and theology by believers says nothing about the soundness, coherence, logical correctness and compellingness of the theistic worldview. It says only and exclusively about the unbeliever and his unwillingness and emotional state to recognize the soundness of conclusions inferring God.

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110My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:27 pm

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Atheism: Everything to lose, nothing to win
Born again Christianity: Nothing to lose, everything to win.



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111My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:17 pm

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I don't hate atheists.
I hate atheism, because, in my view, it leads people to hell.
In the same sense, i don't hate people that have cancer.
I hate cancer because it kills people.

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112My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:02 pm

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If you still believe in evolution, then you might have to evoluate your education a bit farther to grasp that a 160 old theory has outgrown, and has been replaced by a bit more evidence based inferences, which are based on the facts that there is not enough selectibility of allele variations that would have to produce by random luck mutational variations of considerable namber, that would have to be selectad all at once to produce new traits, new forms, new limbs, new functions, new organs, new tissues, new circulatory systems and so on. tutti quanti all at once. Subito. Capice ? No capice ? Entonce, this is not for you. You have to evolve your thinking organ a bit farther to grasp how to get ogranismal novely and functions. 🤙

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113My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:03 pm

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In order for a new limb to evolve, lets say arms, not only would have there to be new information of where to locate the new limb in the body to be functional, ( hox genes ) and develop in the right sequence and order, but also, at the same time, each of the seven mentioned items below would have to develop together :

1. Muscular system - essential for movement of the body, maintains posture and circulates blood throughout the body.
2. Skeletal system - is the internal framework of the body.
3. Nervous system - is the part that coordinates its actions by transmitting signals to and from different parts of its body.
4. Endocrine System- hormones are signalling molecules that target distant organs to regulate physiology and behaviour.
5. Circulatory system - is an organ system that permits blood to circulate and transport nutrients (such as amino acids and electrolytes), oxygen, carbon dioxide, hormones, and blood cells to and from the cells in the body.
6. Integumentary system - comprises the skin and its appendages acting to protect the body from various kinds of damage, such as loss of water or damages from outside
7. Lymphatic System It is part of the vascular system and an important part of the immune system, comprising a large network of lymphatic vessels that carry a clear fluid called lymph directionally towards the heart.

by evolution, or design ?

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114My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm

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I do not know of any issue that awakes more bias and more ferocious efforts of defence of ones particular view in regards of the quest of God. Atheists ferociously defend the claim that there is no evidence of Gods existence, while many believers dedicate their lives to spread the gospel, and their beliefs.

In my debate at Modern Day Debate channel, a few days ago:

Intelligent Design DEBATE Atheists Vs Christians
https://www.youtube.com/watch…

Phil was a perfect representative of an atheist. He was not there to have a rational thoughtful debate. He was there to interrupt, to have fun, to indicate that he was sniffing a line to be in a good mood, He was in the right role endorsing what atheism is and represents: Since there is no God, there is no meaning, no purpose, so lets live, drink, get high and have fun. Because tomorrow, we are all dead. That is a consequent, logical attitude of an unbeliever. Atheism offers no values, no meaning, no purpose, nothing. It is the celebration of dadaism and nonsense and ignorance, and nihilism, and chaos.

If Christianity is not true, why should anyone care ? If its not true, why dedicate efforts and brainpower to refute what Christians say? If it is not true, Christianity is as much relevant as the Spaghetti Monster, Santa, and Farting pixies. Its not relevant, and Phils attitute endorsed and demonstrated his disdain, scorn, and the value that the Christian faith has in his eyes.

He is a perfect representative of what atheism is all about.

Militant atheists defend what they don't believe, with the enthusiasm of a believer. How foolish is that?

We Christians, on the other side, have good reasons to engage unbelievers and provide them with a message which is of infinite value. It is worth to live, and to die for Christ. Because death, for the believer, is just a transition to a better, eternal life with Christ and all the saints and redeemed, and loved ones, and heavenly creatures.

It is not worth to live a life without purpose and meaning where the only destination is annihilation. The grave. What a cold, dark, sad, miserable and void destiny that atheists whish to be true. Sad.

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115My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:26 pm

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Materialists totally overestimate what randomness can do. And totally underrate that its rational to infer that an intelligence, far superiour to ours, a powerful creator, best explains the permeation of information in the whole universe, the origin of language and symbols and codes to communicate by us, and equally existing in the animal world, by fish and whales, and biological Cells which host a multitude of languages, codes, information, and information transmission systems. Its origin is best explained by a creator capable of all this. The universe as a whole is sustained and operates on extremely precise mathematical formulas, a multitude of constants must be adjusted to the extreme, the genetic code specifies the setup of proteins, over 23 epigenetic languages define the make of complex organisms, logic gates based on boolean logic orchestrate gene expression. All of this is dependent on one quality: Intelligence.

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116My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:10 am

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Only The Guillible TM believes that organismal architecture is due to evolution by genetic change over time alone, and that there is enough evidence to claim that as a fact.

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117My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:22 am

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Most people accept only what they want to accept, and not what is rational to accept based on the evidence. On top of that, they think others should accept what they accept because they think that they are always right.

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118My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:23 am

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Conformational bias: The strong will to fool oneself, neglect where reality points to ( God ) to keep entertaining ones selfish desires, and not giving up sin.

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119My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:23 am

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The number one problem for people in the world which makes them perish is the lack of knowledge of the goodness and gracefulness of the true eternal, righteous and loving God, and his plan of salvation, and plan of life for each one of us.

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120My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:25 am

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What if the religious atheologists are really theists and know that God exists, exploit the gullible atheist proletariat for power, fame, and profit ?

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The make of Nitrogenase enzymes: By evolution, or design ?

In order to have ammonia essential for the make of DNA, amino- acids and lipids, nitrogen in the air has to be fixed. The uptake of ammonia by microorganisms depends on the interdependent nitrogen cycle. The nitrogen cycle is interdependent with the carbon cycle, and the other energy cycles.


Energy cycles, how did they "take off" ?
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2660-energy-cycles-how-did-they-take-off

Nitrogen fixation is an amazingly complex process.
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2590-origins-what-cause-explains-best-our-existence-and-why#5864

Only a few bacterias fix nitrogen. The most proeminent one are Cyanobacteria

Cyanobacterias, amazing evidence of design
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1551-cyanobacteria-amazing-evidence-of-design

Nitrogen fixation is catalyzed by the nitrogenase complex, a very intricate system with nitrogenase reductase and dinitrogenase as the main components. Nitrogenase is central to life on our planet. Nitrogen fixation has always been considered of fundamental importance, not only for its significance in global nutrition, but also because of the relevance of nitrogenase as a model system for examining processes such as multiple electron oxidation-reduction reactions, complex biological metal assembly, and even nucleotide-dependent signal transduction. The process is highly energetically costly and thus tightly regulated. Nitrogenase is an extremely complex enzyme system composed of two proteins designated the Fe protein and the MoFe protein. With assistance from an energy source (ATP) and a powerful and specific complementary reducing agent (ferredoxin), nitrogen molecules are bound and cleaved with surgical precision. In this way, a ‘molecular sledgehammer’ is applied to the N=N bond, and a single nitrogen molecule yields two molecules of ammonia. The ammonia then ascends the ‘food chain’, and is used as amino groups in protein synthesis for plants and animals. This is a very tiny mechanism but multiplied on a large scale it is of critical importance in allowing plant growth and food production on our planet to continue.

One thing is certain—that matter obeying existing laws of chemistry could not have created, on its own, such a masterpiece of chemical engineering.
Substantial energy input is needed to overcome this large activation energy and break the N=N triple bond. In this biological system, the energy is provided by ATP.

The nitrogenase complex requires three metal clusters as co-factors. They demonstrate the amazing catalytic ability of iron-sulfur clusters in biological systems. The biosynthesis of one of the three co-factors,  the MoFe, is extremely complex.

Biosynthesis of the Cofactors of Nitrogenase  
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2429-biosynthesis-of-the-cofactors-of-nitrogenase

It must be assembled in a multistep process. That begins with the recruiting of Sulfur, Iron, and molybdenum to the assembly site. Sulfur must be obtained in the right form. Six different enzymes are needed in the sulfur synthesis pathway.

Biosynthesis of Iron-sulfur clusters, basic building blocks for life  
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2285-iron-sulfur-clusters-basic-building-blocks-for-life

Sulfur must be imported by specialized membrane protein channels, called sulfate transporters.

Iron mobilization and uptake is a far more complex process. It requires the transformation of iron in the environment into siderophores, an iron form that organisms can uptake, and import into the cell. Three major sets of components are involved in iron uptake in Gram-negative bacteria. First non-ribosomal peptide synthetases. The second component required for proper iron uptake is the export system for siderophores are essential, because they produce the siderophores needed to chelate iron in the extracellular space. ABC transporters have the job of uptake of the product

Amazing molecular assembly lines and non-ribosomal amino-acid chain formation pathways come to light
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2445-new-amazing-molecular-assembly-lines-and-non-ribosomal-amino-acid-chain-formation-pathways-come-to-light

The short-range of the strong nuclear force is strong, extending no farther than atomic nuclei. But despite its short range, changing the strong nuclear force would have many wide-ranging consequences, most of them detrimental to life.  The periodic table of the elements would look different with a changed strong nuclear force. If it were weaker, there would be fewer stable chemical elements. The more complex organisms require about twenty-seven chemical elements. Instead of ninety-two naturally occurring elements, a universe with a strong force weaker by 50 percent would have contained only about twenty to thirty. That would eliminate Iron and molybdenum, which are life-essential elements, used in many co-factors required in life-essential proteins. 

Iron Uptake and Homeostasis in Cells
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2443-iron-uptake-and-homeostasis-in-prokaryotic-microorganisms

Maintaining adequate intracellular levels of transition metals is fundamental to the survival of all organisms. While all transition metals are toxic at elevated intracellular concentrations, metals such as iron, zinc, copper, and manganese are essential to many cellular functions. In prokaryotes, the concerted action of a battery of membrane-embedded transport proteins controls a delicate balance between sufficient acquisition and overload.

Once, the basic materials have been imported, the assembly of of co-factors can begin. 

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https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2429-biosynthesis-of-the-cofactors-of-nitrogenase#5924

Biosynthesis of FeMoco is a complicated process that requires several Nif gene products, specifically those of nifS, nifQ, nifB, nifE, nifN, nifV, nifH, nifD, and nifK . Assembly of nitrogenase FeMo-co is a considerable chemical feat because of its complexity and intricacy. 

Once the co-factors are synthesized, they can be incorporated in the assembly of the nitrogenase enzyme. That is not a simple feat either. Metallocluster carrier proteins escort FeMo-co biosynthetic intermediates in their transit between scaffolds. The insertion of FeMo-co into apo-NifDK generates a mature, functional holoenzyme

Following we summarize what we know of the biosynthetic processes that lead to the formation of active MoFe protein.

1. Molybdate enters the cell and is processed by NifQ, or possibly just cystine, to form a putative Mo-S containing species.
2. Iron (possibly from NifU) and sulfur (from NifS activity) are combined by NifB to form NifBco.
3. NifBco binds to NifN2E2 .
4. The next events are still obscure, but it is widely assumed that NifN2E2 acts as a scaffold for the combination of NifBco with the putative MoS species to form FeMoco.
5. In the final stage of activation, FeMoco is bound to the ‘‘apo- MoFe protein.’’ The ‘‘apo-MoFe proteins’’ must be bound to NifY or . NifY or dissociate after the activation of the MoFe protein by FeMoco. The role
of (NifY) may be to hold the ‘‘apo-MoFe protein’’ in an open conformation that will allow access of FeMoco to its binding site.

By evolution, or design ?

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122My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:58 pm

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There is nothing more exciting and thrilling than to know God more and more, and so his creation.
There is nothing more boring than to say: I don't believe your claims about God, and remain blind, misinformed, incredule and gullible towards materialism.

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123My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:02 pm

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Atheist: Prove God exists.
Reply: Prove that anything exists outside of your imagination.

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124My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:52 am

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When I contemplate your face, oh Lord, it says more than thousand words. I see power, love, wisdom and peace. A kind of peace, which is supernatural, and the world does not know. Which emanates truth and holiness. But also true, complete happiness. Your love goes deep and is perfect. It motivates all your doings.

The Blind TM accuse you of hiding yourself, and attempt to justify their disbelief by claiming that you are hidden. What they not recognize, is that it is their spiritual blindness that is the wall that does not permit them to see, recognize, surrender and believe you. If they would remove their blinkers, they would suddenly have their eyes open and recognize you, and your indescribable majesty.

You, oh father, have not hidden yourself. Your coming and mission was predicted in ancient times in the scriptures, long before you came. Yeah, there are hundreds of prophecies of your mission and coming. You became flesh. One of us. You walked on the earth, made disciples, doing miracles, like no other. The scribes and Pharisees wondered: Who is this man, that has this kind of knowledge ? Yes, you did beat them all in wisdom and understanding.

And today you have given to all the amazing privilege to learn about your unimaginable intelligence and power, The microscope and telescope have led us to discover worlds of beauty, reasons to be amazed, hidden until a few decades ago from our eyes. Unimaginable worlds have unraveled in front of our eyes. The whole universe is permeated with the signs of your word. Words are information. And through your word and power, you have laid the foundations of the cosmos, and the earth. Who thought that you would equip dolphins and bats with sonars, fishes with languages to talk to each other and figure out strategies, lobsters smelling with their antennas, spiders with bolas and lassos to hunt ?

No, father, you have not remained hidden. You have made yourself known through your creation which declares your glory, and you became one of us, human, and your wounds tell and instruct about your grace, love, and willingness to forgive all who were lost in their wrong doings, but you searched and did find the ones separated to belong to your holy family, the body of Christ, the ones that humble themselves, recognize you as the Lord, and surrender and become born again in spirit. What an enormous privilege. What great love. What a honor. How wonderful to have such a great advocate in heaven which intercedes by the father.

Your wounds healed us. If I had to come to you as I am, my sins would make me feel as I am. Dirty, a poor sinner, and immediately annihilate me. But your blood cleaned my sins and shortcomings and fails, and so, the holy spirit, which dwells in me, can scream: How wonderful you are, Abba, father.

No. You did not hide. If you were the deistic God, which did set up the foundations of the earth, and then retracted to his eternal rest, and not make yourself known, we would be the most miserable creatures. Like abandoned, lost souls, in a cruel cold earth and universe, delivered to loneliness, meaninglessness, and lost without hope. Coming from stardust, and returning to stardust. Nothing to celebrate, only prepared to face death darkness, and be doomed. Making ourselves Gods that do not exist. A short appearance, and then gone. People run after what they find important: money, sex, power and fun, and are unable to recognize how vain this all is. It doesn't fill our inner void which seeks for meaning. A meaning, that only God can fill.

But I thank you, father. You have made yourself known through your creation and becoming man two thousand years ago. You made us in your image and likeness's. So we can recognize you, become part of your family, become friends, brothers and sisters, and look into the future with hope and comfort: You have prepared a home for all of those, who did set their hope in you, and call upon your name, seek and follow you. You are here, and with us, now, and forever. Hallelujah, Maranatha !! You are my Lord, Jesus. Yes, come soon.

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125My dictums - Page 5 Empty Re: My dictums Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:41 am

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Atheist: I don't know how the universe and life came to be, but i know it didn't happen through the fairy tales described in the Bible.

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