The philosophical cosmological argument of Gods existence
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2832-cosmological-the-philosophical-cosmological-argument-of-gods-existence
There are only three possible answers to the question of the origin of the universe:
1. the Universe is eternal; it always has existed and always will exist;
2. the Universe is not eternal; rather, it created itself out of nothing; or
3. the Universe is not eternal and did not create itself out of nothing, but instead was created by something (or Someone) outside of itself.
1. Existence can be divided into two basic categories: physical ( energy/matter, space and time), and mind ( consciousness, intelligence )
2. Since something cannot come from nothing, but we exist, then something has always existed. That must have been either the mind, physical things, or both together.
3. The physical universe had to have a beginning, therefore it is not eternal.
4. Thus, the mind must be eternal.
By deductive reasoning, we can come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible most probably exists. Following argument requires no theology nor science which must be true based uniquely on deductive reasoning.
1. Something cannot come into existence from absolutely nothing.
2. The present moment cannot be reached by adding individual events together from eternity.
3. Therefore, the universe must have had a beginning of time, therefore, it had a cause.
4. Therefore a non-physical, eternal, non-created & necessary first cause is the best explanation of our existence.
5. An agent endowed with free will can have a determination in a timeless dimension to operate causally at a (first) moment of time and thereby to produce a temporally first effect.
6. That cause must be supernatural in nature, (as He exists outside of His creation), Incredibly powerful (to have created all that is known), Eternal (self-existent, as He exists outside of time and space), Omnipresent (He created space and is not limited by it), Timeless and changeless (He created time), Immaterial (because He transcends space), Personal (the impersonal can’t create personality), Necessary (as everything else depends on Him), Infinite and singular (as you cannot have two infinites), Diverse yet has unity (as all multiplicity implies a prior singularity), Intelligent (supremely, to create everything), Purposeful (as He deliberately created everything), Moral (no moral law can exist without a lawgiver), Caring (or no moral laws would have been given)
Only the God of the Bible is described with the above-described characteristics.
God is omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-12; Jeremiah 23:24)
God is omniscient (Psalm 147:4-5)
God is omnipotent (Jeremiah 32:17; Psalm 135:6)
God is Spirit (John 4:24)
God is in a league of His own (Isaiah 46:9)
God is immortal and invisible (1 Timothy 1:17)
God is the Creator (Genesis 1:1; Colossians 1:16)
God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6)
God is sovereign (Psalm 115:3)
God is One, yet He exists in three persons (Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14)
God is loving (John 3:16; 1 John 4:8 )
God is gracious and merciful (Jonah 4:2; Deuteronomy 4:31)
God is righteous (Psalm 11:7)
God is holy (Leviticus 19:2; 1 Peter 1:16)
God is just (Deuteronomy 32:4; Isaiah 30:18)
God is forgiving (1 John 1:9)
God is compassionate (James 5:11)
Non-being - can't do something
Non-being can't create being
Nothing can't do something
No causes can't cause things
Nothing can't exist somewhere
Absolutely nothing can't be sometimes
Non-existence can't create existence
Since there IS something, there must always have been something.
We are justified entirely on deductive reasoning, that nothing, having no ontological status, cannot be the cause of anything. This inference and conclusion require no empirical testing and attempts of falsification. Chance of chance doing *anything* is ZERO. It has no ontological status; it can do *nothing*. Chance is not a "thing". It's just a number to describe probabilities.
What makes more sense:
1. To believe that God used his eternal power ( energy ), and his word ( John 1.1), information, and created a finely tuned and balanced universe based on mathematical principles, space, time and the Higgs field, which gave rise to matter, or
2. that either
a) absolutely nothing which is the absence of ANYTHING magically started our Universe or a Multiverse, which by trial and error created ours, or oscillating Universes, or that it suddenly created a vacuum, upon which virtual particles began to pop up, and somehow, for no reason created quarks, up's and down's, and an electric charge of the proton which is exactly equal and the opposite of the electric charge on the electron, despite the proton being nearly 2000 times more massive? and then finely tuned gravity and dark energy to a precision of one out of 10^123, and provided the exactly correct expansion rate of the universe, to permit a universe to expand, but at the same time to clump gas to form stars, planets, and life? Or
b) that there was an eternal universe, which defies logic, since if it was eternal, we would/could not reach this moment in time?
“It’s a whole lot easier to believe Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. and made the physical universe and life, rather than it is to believe that nothing took nothing and made everything.”
A well-known scientist named Herbert Spencer died in 1903. He discovered that all reality, all reality, all that exists in the universe can be contained in five categories...time, force, action, space and matter. Herbert Spencer said everything that exists, exists in one of those categories...time, force, action, space, and matter.
Now think about that. Time, force, action, space and matter. That is a logical sequence. And then with that in your mind, listen to Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning," that's time..."God," that's force, "created," that's action, "the heavens," that's space, "and the earth," that's matter. Everything that could be said about everything that exists is said in that first verse.
The sentence can be divided in two categories: the physical universe: time, matter, and space
And the second:
God = the cause
action = the creation event.
Everything that BEGINS TO EXIST ( action ), has a cause. ( God ).
Once this is compared with the scientific evidence, theological and philosophical considerations, it provides an intellectually SATISFACTORY explanation of our origins.
Objection: The famed atheist Bertrand Russell notoriously said: “If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.”
Response: But it’s not true that everything must have a cause. Only that which begins to exist must have a cause. And herein God is perched up in a category of His own.
Objection: Attributing eternity to God special pleading
Response: “All lemons are citrus. Mushrooms are not citrus.”
This isn’t special pleading because there is a category difference. God is not in the same category as the creation. God is in a league of His own. He is… the great I AM.
If logic does not account for justifiable special pleading then such logic is clearly flawed. Of course, an Infinite Creator Who created everything would involve a justifiable special pleading. Such Creator would not be like the rest of us. It is as simple as seeing the difference between an Infinite Being (notice I didn't say "existence") and billions of "finite beings."
The One Infinite Being is clearly different. The One Infinite Being Who created all existence is quite different than those finite beings who are created by such Being.
125 reasons to believe in God
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1276-125-reasons-to-believe-in-god
The Kalaam Cosmological Argument
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1333-the-kalaam-cosmological-argument
Nothing is the thing that stones think of
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2817-nothing-is-the-thing-that-stones-think-of
Something creating itself is nonsense
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2831-something-creating-itself-is-nonsense
The universe most probably had a beginning
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1297-the-universe-most-probably-had-a-beginning
We cannot reach te present moment from an eternal past
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2049-we-cannot-reach-te-present-moment-from-an-eternal-past
Timeless causation
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1324-timeless-causation
Who or what created God?
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t77-who-created-god
The net energy of the universe is zero
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2011-the-net-energy-of-the-universe-is-zero
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2832-cosmological-the-philosophical-cosmological-argument-of-gods-existence
There are only three possible answers to the question of the origin of the universe:
1. the Universe is eternal; it always has existed and always will exist;
2. the Universe is not eternal; rather, it created itself out of nothing; or
3. the Universe is not eternal and did not create itself out of nothing, but instead was created by something (or Someone) outside of itself.
1. Existence can be divided into two basic categories: physical ( energy/matter, space and time), and mind ( consciousness, intelligence )
2. Since something cannot come from nothing, but we exist, then something has always existed. That must have been either the mind, physical things, or both together.
3. The physical universe had to have a beginning, therefore it is not eternal.
4. Thus, the mind must be eternal.
By deductive reasoning, we can come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible most probably exists. Following argument requires no theology nor science which must be true based uniquely on deductive reasoning.
1. Something cannot come into existence from absolutely nothing.
2. The present moment cannot be reached by adding individual events together from eternity.
3. Therefore, the universe must have had a beginning of time, therefore, it had a cause.
4. Therefore a non-physical, eternal, non-created & necessary first cause is the best explanation of our existence.
5. An agent endowed with free will can have a determination in a timeless dimension to operate causally at a (first) moment of time and thereby to produce a temporally first effect.
6. That cause must be supernatural in nature, (as He exists outside of His creation), Incredibly powerful (to have created all that is known), Eternal (self-existent, as He exists outside of time and space), Omnipresent (He created space and is not limited by it), Timeless and changeless (He created time), Immaterial (because He transcends space), Personal (the impersonal can’t create personality), Necessary (as everything else depends on Him), Infinite and singular (as you cannot have two infinites), Diverse yet has unity (as all multiplicity implies a prior singularity), Intelligent (supremely, to create everything), Purposeful (as He deliberately created everything), Moral (no moral law can exist without a lawgiver), Caring (or no moral laws would have been given)
Only the God of the Bible is described with the above-described characteristics.
God is omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-12; Jeremiah 23:24)
God is omniscient (Psalm 147:4-5)
God is omnipotent (Jeremiah 32:17; Psalm 135:6)
God is Spirit (John 4:24)
God is in a league of His own (Isaiah 46:9)
God is immortal and invisible (1 Timothy 1:17)
God is the Creator (Genesis 1:1; Colossians 1:16)
God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6)
God is sovereign (Psalm 115:3)
God is One, yet He exists in three persons (Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14)
God is loving (John 3:16; 1 John 4:8 )
God is gracious and merciful (Jonah 4:2; Deuteronomy 4:31)
God is righteous (Psalm 11:7)
God is holy (Leviticus 19:2; 1 Peter 1:16)
God is just (Deuteronomy 32:4; Isaiah 30:18)
God is forgiving (1 John 1:9)
God is compassionate (James 5:11)
Non-being - can't do something
Non-being can't create being
Nothing can't do something
No causes can't cause things
Nothing can't exist somewhere
Absolutely nothing can't be sometimes
Non-existence can't create existence
Since there IS something, there must always have been something.
We are justified entirely on deductive reasoning, that nothing, having no ontological status, cannot be the cause of anything. This inference and conclusion require no empirical testing and attempts of falsification. Chance of chance doing *anything* is ZERO. It has no ontological status; it can do *nothing*. Chance is not a "thing". It's just a number to describe probabilities.
What makes more sense:
1. To believe that God used his eternal power ( energy ), and his word ( John 1.1), information, and created a finely tuned and balanced universe based on mathematical principles, space, time and the Higgs field, which gave rise to matter, or
2. that either
a) absolutely nothing which is the absence of ANYTHING magically started our Universe or a Multiverse, which by trial and error created ours, or oscillating Universes, or that it suddenly created a vacuum, upon which virtual particles began to pop up, and somehow, for no reason created quarks, up's and down's, and an electric charge of the proton which is exactly equal and the opposite of the electric charge on the electron, despite the proton being nearly 2000 times more massive? and then finely tuned gravity and dark energy to a precision of one out of 10^123, and provided the exactly correct expansion rate of the universe, to permit a universe to expand, but at the same time to clump gas to form stars, planets, and life? Or
b) that there was an eternal universe, which defies logic, since if it was eternal, we would/could not reach this moment in time?
“It’s a whole lot easier to believe Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. and made the physical universe and life, rather than it is to believe that nothing took nothing and made everything.”
A well-known scientist named Herbert Spencer died in 1903. He discovered that all reality, all reality, all that exists in the universe can be contained in five categories...time, force, action, space and matter. Herbert Spencer said everything that exists, exists in one of those categories...time, force, action, space, and matter.
Now think about that. Time, force, action, space and matter. That is a logical sequence. And then with that in your mind, listen to Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning," that's time..."God," that's force, "created," that's action, "the heavens," that's space, "and the earth," that's matter. Everything that could be said about everything that exists is said in that first verse.
The sentence can be divided in two categories: the physical universe: time, matter, and space
And the second:
God = the cause
action = the creation event.
Everything that BEGINS TO EXIST ( action ), has a cause. ( God ).
Once this is compared with the scientific evidence, theological and philosophical considerations, it provides an intellectually SATISFACTORY explanation of our origins.
Objection: The famed atheist Bertrand Russell notoriously said: “If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.”
Response: But it’s not true that everything must have a cause. Only that which begins to exist must have a cause. And herein God is perched up in a category of His own.
Objection: Attributing eternity to God special pleading
Response: “All lemons are citrus. Mushrooms are not citrus.”
This isn’t special pleading because there is a category difference. God is not in the same category as the creation. God is in a league of His own. He is… the great I AM.
If logic does not account for justifiable special pleading then such logic is clearly flawed. Of course, an Infinite Creator Who created everything would involve a justifiable special pleading. Such Creator would not be like the rest of us. It is as simple as seeing the difference between an Infinite Being (notice I didn't say "existence") and billions of "finite beings."
The One Infinite Being is clearly different. The One Infinite Being Who created all existence is quite different than those finite beings who are created by such Being.
125 reasons to believe in God
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1276-125-reasons-to-believe-in-god
The Kalaam Cosmological Argument
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1333-the-kalaam-cosmological-argument
Nothing is the thing that stones think of
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2817-nothing-is-the-thing-that-stones-think-of
Something creating itself is nonsense
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2831-something-creating-itself-is-nonsense
The universe most probably had a beginning
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1297-the-universe-most-probably-had-a-beginning
We cannot reach te present moment from an eternal past
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2049-we-cannot-reach-te-present-moment-from-an-eternal-past
Timeless causation
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1324-timeless-causation
Who or what created God?
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t77-who-created-god
The net energy of the universe is zero
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t2011-the-net-energy-of-the-universe-is-zero
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