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Pascal's Wager in new clothes

The Argument from Decision Theory (Pascal’s Wager)
1. Either God exists or God doesn’t exist.
2. A person can either believe that God exists or believe that God doesn’t exist.
3. If God exists and you believe, you receive eternal salvation.
4. If God exists and you don’t believe, you receive eternal damnation.
5. If God doesn’t exist and you believe, you’ve been duped, have wasted time in religious observance, and have missed out on decadent enjoyments.
6. If God doesn’t exist and you don’t believe, then you have avoided a false belief.
7. You have much more to gain by believing in God than by not believing in him, and much more to lose by not believing in God than by believing in him
8. It is more rational to believe that God exists than to believe that he doesn’t exist

Claim: Pascal's wager is invalid. How do we know that the Christian God is the true one and not a God from thousands of other religions?

Response: When you weigh the NT historical evidence against any other major or minor religion, you will discover that Christianity is far beyond any of them because Christianity is all based on eyewitness testimonies, and is backed up by external historical evidence. We have as well over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament, that fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We have the Shroud of Turin. We have with high probability found the Ark of Noah on Mount Ararat. We have evidence of the Exodus.

A cumulative case for the God of the Bible

If the weight of the Christian worldview is making sense above 50 % compared to atheism, or any different religion, then it is rational to believe in Christ, and commit living as a Christian.
Christianity has at least a 50 % chance of being true.
Therefore, it is rational to commit to live as a Christian.

Atheism is like playing Russian roulette with your salvation, but with a fully loaded gun. My atheist friend. What if you are wrong and there is a God, and you will spend eternity in constant regret for rejecting the truth?

Daniel 12.2: And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Luke 16:19-31, Lazarus and the Rich Man
In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life. The rich man is, of course, rich. They both die. The rich man goes to Hades. Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise. In Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off. He cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in flame. Abraham says no. Then the rich man asks if someone from the dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this terrible place. Abraham teaches him that that will not be done either.

Revelation 21.7
Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Neither theists, nor atheists, can demonstrate if God exists, or if the natural world is all there is.

If no deity exists, atheists will not gain anything by disbelieving in God.  Then both, atheists, and theists, will die one day, and everything will be over. In a thousand years, it will make no difference, if you lived like a saint or a jerk.  If atheists live their worldview consequently, then they will acknowledge that their existence is empty, meaningless, hopeless, even if they try giving a self-defined meaning, and the "show", life,  is limited to here and now. When the owl whistles and death knocks on the door, everything is over, so all that atheists want to get from their lives, they have to get it here and now. Since it is so, there would be no reason to do any self-sacrifice and live altruistically. Even if in some nations the majority is incredulous, education and living standard is high, and crime rate is low,  if analyzed from a wider angle, if the fear of God is removed, more people will think that crime is rewarding, and it is faster to lower or remove the bar, and give room to temptation. To steal, kill, cheat, lie, betray, etc. The consequence is more crimes, and a higher probability to end in jail. Nations would behave more egoistically, slavery would be more common. History has taught us what dictators, driven by atheistic doctrines are able to do.  Go to jail, and ask a prisoner, if, while committing his crimes, he was a fervorous believer and follower of Christ, reading the Bible, and asking the Lord for guidance, and doing Christs will......

Christians, even if they were wrong,  would still have gained, since living according to Christ's commands, means loving the next and live peacefully and just,  according to the guidance of a higher moral standard exposed in the scriptures they believe in. That means, their life quality will still improve and be higher based on their beliefs. This is evidenced in history, where Christianity has shaped western civilization in many ways for the better. The liberties and human rights of secular governments,  freedom, and rights of the individual,  and so the criminal and justice system are a direct consequence of the Bible and its teachings, and so the belief that man is accountable to God and that the law is the same regardless of social position, power and wealth. The education system, care of orphans and the elders, and hospitals go back to the spread of monasteries, which were taking care of the general population. Science began to flourish in the western world, like Occam's razor in the twelfth century, and many science fathers, like Galilei, Newton, Volta, Ohm, Ampere, Kelvin, Faraday etc. were all Christians.  To say that religion is venom for society pointing to all atrocities committed in the past means ignoring the fact that not all that claimed to be Christians, practised what Christ taught, namely to love their neighbour.  

If the God of the Bible is real, then we all will resurrect, and, want it or not, become believers, and recognize the scriptures were true. But then its too late to repent, and change mind.  Promoting an atheistic worldview and disbelieve in Gods existence then is foolish. Unbelievers lose to live according to the meaning and reason that God gave them their lives, that is to glorify their creator, know him and make him known, and they will have eventually less life quality ( for the reasons described above ), they lose their salvation, when they die, they will go immediately to the place destined to the lost, condemned souls, waiting for end trial, and be  judged and punished according to their sins, and go to suffer painfully in hell eternally.

The  born again - redeemed and saved follower of  Christ,  gained peace with God here on earth and a fulfilled life, and forgiveness, peace in his mind and spirit, a meaningful and fulfilled life, walking on the way the Lord prepared for him since eternity, and will experience the fulfilling of his deepest desires, namely to spend eternity in Glory with and in the near presence of the almighty, loving, just, eternal God, eventually with his loved ones, and reign with Christ in all eternity in the heavenly kingdom, in mansions prepared by the Lord for the ones that love HIM. Many are the promises, not to be mentioned here.

The atheist, of course, can say now: Well, even if it is foolish to be a non-believer, I can't think differently or oblige myself to believe in what I don't believe. I cannot recognize Gods existence. There is no evidence for his existence.

The bible is pretty clear on this: 

Romans 1. 18 - 23:
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

Matthew 21:22
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Luke 11:10
"For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." -

Daniel 12:2,3 ( King James )
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame {and} everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.

Pacal's wager is not about agnosticism. On the contrary it is was designed to inspire faith in God via an appeal to human prudence and the wager.
Now, please consider the following question;

What should a mortal person [who may be subject to eternal punishment/or eternal bliss if God exists/or who may be subject to no consequences if he does not exist] do before he or she dies?
Should he/she live like he does exist [so that if he does exist or doesn't exist ] he/she can experience eternal bliss rather than eternal judgement or so he/she neither gains or losses anything? Or should he/she live like he does not exist?---bearing in mind this, that is to say, that if he does exist he or she will be subject to eternal consequences and eternal loss.
What would should a prudent person decide to do?

This is the sought of thinking PASCAL was trying to inspire in us. This is the kind of question Pascal wants prudent people to consider before they die.
The argument [from Pascal's wager] is as follows:

1.) Every human has a decision to make before they die.

[The decision they have to make pertains to whether choose to express believe whether God exists or not; particularly because If God exists, the implication is as follows, that is to say, that those who have chosen to express their belief in him via good deeds will experience eternal bliss. And those who have chosen not to believe in him or to express belief via God approved good works will suffer eternal punishment. But If God does not exist, the implication is as follows, that is to say, that those who have who have chosen to express their belief in him via good deeds will not experience eternal bliss or anything. And those who have chosen not to believe in him or express their belief via God approved good works will not suffer eternal punishment.]

2.) if one is presented with a decision pertaining to two options----that is to say, an option that leads to either bliss or adverse adverse consequences or loss if something exists----and an option that leads to neither loss or gain if the thing does not exist----the prudent decision would be to choose the option that entails a blessing [if the thing exists] and no loss [if the thing does not exist or if it exists].
And subsequently 

3.) every prudent human should decide to choose to express their belief in God via good deeds before they die.
Therefore 4.) every prudent human being will choose theism [or choose to become a theist] before he or she dies. David Salako

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David Salako


[Bearing in mind that God is logically possible]

1.) It is either that a statement is true, or it negation is true. [The law of excluded middle]

2.) This is a statement, namely that The God of the Abrahamic faith exists.

And subsequently 3.) it is either that this statement is true, namely that The God of the Abrahamic faith exists, or its negation is true.

4.) The negation is as follows, that is to say, that The God of the Abrahamic faith does not exist.

So 5.) it is either that this statement is true, The God of the Abrahamic faith exists, or this statement is true, that is to say, that The God of the Abrahamic faith does not exists.

However 6.) we do not know anything [particularly in terms of which of the aforementioned statements is true] except the following, namely that one of the statements has to be true and that if either of the aforementioned statements are true, or false, there will be consequences in conjunction with what we've chosen to believe or not to believe.

Because 7.) If we believe this proposition, that is to say, that The God of the Abrahamic faith exists, and if the proposition is true, we will be received into God's paradise after we die. Or if the proposition is false we will not experience anything after death. However if we believed this while we were alive, namely that The God of the Abrahamic faith does not exist, and if the proposition is true, we have nothing to look forward to after we die except God's judgement. Or if the proposition is false, we will not experience anything after we die.

Which is why 8.) the prudent thing to do [particularly because we do not know which of the propositions are true] is to choose to believe that proposition about God that does not entail any adverse consequences if it turned out to be false or that entails a blessing if it turned out to be true.

And subsequently 9.) a prudent person would choose to believe this proposition before he or she died, that is to say, that The God of the Abrahamic faith exists.

Therefore 10.) a prudent person would become a theist before he or she died.


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Christian faith x lack of faith / atheism

Christian faith:

knowing God and having a relationship with him
receiving salvation and eternal life
receiving a new nature, and the holy spirit
Being his adopted child
experiencing his grace and love
witness to others
having true meaning, which will last forever
hope for an eternal life in heaven.
peace with God

1 John 3:14: “We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.”
1 John 4:7: “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.”
1 John 5:1: “Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.”
1 John 5:4: “For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.”
1 John 5:18: “We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.”
Gal. 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control


Atheists commonly confess ignorance and base it on the claim that there is no evidence of God. The consequence of such a position is:

the lack of
objective moral values
meaning of life
lack of recognition of the real intrinsic value of human beings
what really matters in life ( to love God, and your next )
inner peace

and ultimatively nihilism, bitterness, hopelessness and despair.

Atheism is an idea that doesn’t matter. It leads to no good, it gives an illusion of freedom, it helps no one and it tends to either universal anarchy and chaos or totalitarian despotism, and the ultimate fate and consequence is to die and be judged upon their own sins and mistakes and paying for their sins and rejection of God in Hell forever and ever.

Atheism is cancer no matter how you try and sugar coat it. The only manifestation of atheism in state power is totalitarianism. No exceptions. For two centuries-- from 1789-- every atheist philosophy that has risen to power has brought hell to earth among the people under its boot. Atheist 'secular humanism' has one salient characteristic-- it never survives the rise of atheism. What begins with an edited Jefferson always ends with a pockmarked Caligula. Atheism in power has always been totalitarian.

Atheist rank the highest in 4 stats, suicide, depression, medication intake and school shootings. If that is not FAIL, I do not know what is...

Pascal's Wager in new clothes Win_an10




Bringing to Light: A Reflection on the Quests of Existence - Evolution and Transcendence

In contemplating the contrasting belief systems of atheism and Christianity, one must delve into the potential consequences and implications that each path entails.

In the atheist worldview, the pursuit of power and supremacy becomes paramount, following the principle of "survival of the fittest." Moral relativism prevails, allowing for any means necessary to achieve dominance over others. However, this perspective disregards the significance of the spiritual realm, as it sees the concept of a spirit or soul as inconsequential or non-existent.

On the other hand, Christianity emphasizes enlightenment and transcendence as the ultimate goals. Here, forgiveness, kindness, faithfulness, and self-control take precedence, focusing on the eternal significance of the soul rather than the temporary physical body. The pursuit of peace, love, and joy becomes the driving force, aiming to rise above the pitfalls of worldly pursuits.

The atheist, being closed to the unknown and hostile towards those who challenge their beliefs, may miss out on the potential for growth and understanding. In contrast, the Christian embraces the unknown, putting trust in the unseen and continuously evaluating new information to seek harmony with the truth.

While both paths have potential consequences, the atheist faces the possibility of severe repercussions should their beliefs be proven wrong. Denying transcendence and enlightenment could lead to a termination of existence or a state of eternal isolation. In contrast, the Christian, even if mistaken, faces no loss but the termination of existence.

The attributes pursued by the Christian—peace, love, and joy—serve as a testimony to the strength of their character built on a foundation of wisdom. Embracing the moral law helps avoid the consequences of violating it, demanding effort and dedication.

The atheist may achieve some of these attributes, but by rejecting transcendence, they may fall short of true enlightenment. The Christian acknowledges their inability to transcend alone due to sin and relies on a remedy provided from above to lift this burden.

The two paths before each individual—evolution and transcendence—differ significantly. Evolution depends on personal efforts and internal attitude, while transcendence relies on an attitude towards the infinite and external efforts accomplished on their behalf. Evaluating both paths honestly and closely is crucial in determining the ultimate truth.

In conclusion, one's belief system profoundly influences their actions, motivations, and outlook on life. Whether it is the pursuit of power and survival in the material world or the quest for enlightenment and transcendence beyond the physical realm, the path chosen shapes the individual's existence and potential consequences. Reflecting on the implications of these belief systems can guide individuals towards making informed and profound decisions about their worldview and life's purpose.


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