Pascal's Wager in new clothes
The Argument from Decision Theory (Pascal’s Wager)
1. Either God exists or God doesn’t exist.
2. A person can either believe that God exists or believe that God doesn’t exist.
3. If God exists and you believe, you receive eternal salvation.
4. If God exists and you don’t believe, you receive eternal damnation.
5. If God doesn’t exist and you believe, you’ve been duped, have wasted time in religious observance, and have missed out on decadent enjoyments.
6. If God doesn’t exist and you don’t believe, then you have avoided a false belief.
7. You have much more to gain by believing in God than by not believing in him, and much more to lose by not believing in God than by believing in him
8. It is more rational to believe that God exists than to believe that he doesn’t exist
Claim: Pascal's wager is invalid. How do we know that the Christian God is the true one and not a God from thousands of other religions?
Response: When you weigh the NT historical evidence against any other major or minor religion, you will discover that Christianity is far beyond any of them because Christianity is all based on eyewitness testimonies, and is backed up by external historical evidence. We have as well over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament, that fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We have the Shroud of Turin. We have with high probability found the Ark of Noah on Mount Ararat. We have evidence of the Exodus.
A cumulative case for the God of the Bible
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1753-a-cumulative-case-for-the-god-of-the-bible
If the weight of the Christian worldview is making sense above 50 % compared to atheism, or any different religion, then it is rational to believe in Christ, and commit living as a Christian.
Christianity has at least a 50 % chance of being true.
Therefore, it is rational to commit to live as a Christian.
Atheism is like playing Russian roulette with your salvation, but with a fully loaded gun. My atheist friend. What if you are wrong and there is a God, and you will spend eternity in constant regret for rejecting the truth?
Daniel 12.2: And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Luke 16:19-31, Lazarus and the Rich Man
In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life. The rich man is, of course, rich. They both die. The rich man goes to Hades. Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise. In Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off. He cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in flame. Abraham says no. Then the rich man asks if someone from the dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this terrible place. Abraham teaches him that that will not be done either.
Revelation 21.7
Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Neither theists, nor atheists, can demonstrate if God exists, or if the natural world is all there is.
If no deity exists, atheists will not gain anything by disbelieving in God. Then both, atheists, and theists, will die one day, and everything will be over. In a thousand years, it will make no difference, if you lived like a saint or a jerk. If atheists live their worldview consequently, then they will acknowledge that their existence is empty, meaningless, hopeless, even if they try giving a self-defined meaning, and the "show", life, is limited to here and now. When the owl whistles and death knocks on the door, everything is over, so all that atheists want to get from their lives, they have to get it here and now. Since it is so, there would be no reason to do any self-sacrifice and live altruistically. Even if in some nations the majority is incredulous, education and living standard is high, and crime rate is low, if analyzed from a wider angle, if the fear of God is removed, more people will think that crime is rewarding, and it is faster to lower or remove the bar, and give room to temptation. To steal, kill, cheat, lie, betray, etc. The consequence is more crimes, and a higher probability to end in jail. Nations would behave more egoistically, slavery would be more common. History has taught us what dictators, driven by atheistic doctrines are able to do. Go to jail, and ask a prisoner, if, while committing his crimes, he was a fervorous believer and follower of Christ, reading the Bible, and asking the Lord for guidance, and doing Christs will......
Christians, even if they were wrong, would still have gained, since living according to Christ's commands, means loving the next and live peacefully and just, according to the guidance of a higher moral standard exposed in the scriptures they believe in. That means, their life quality will still improve and be higher based on their beliefs. This is evidenced in history, where Christianity has shaped western civilization in many ways for the better. The liberties and human rights of secular governments, freedom, and rights of the individual, and so the criminal and justice system are a direct consequence of the Bible and its teachings, and so the belief that man is accountable to God and that the law is the same regardless of social position, power and wealth. The education system, care of orphans and the elders, and hospitals go back to the spread of monasteries, which were taking care of the general population. Science began to flourish in the western world, like Occam's razor in the twelfth century, and many science fathers, like Galilei, Newton, Volta, Ohm, Ampere, Kelvin, Faraday etc. were all Christians. To say that religion is venom for society pointing to all atrocities committed in the past means ignoring the fact that not all that claimed to be Christians, practised what Christ taught, namely to love their neighbour.
If the God of the Bible is real, then we all will resurrect, and, want it or not, become believers, and recognize the scriptures were true. But then its too late to repent, and change mind. Promoting an atheistic worldview and disbelieve in Gods existence then is foolish. Unbelievers lose to live according to the meaning and reason that God gave them their lives, that is to glorify their creator, know him and make him known, and they will have eventually less life quality ( for the reasons described above ), they lose their salvation, when they die, they will go immediately to the place destined to the lost, condemned souls, waiting for end trial, and be judged and punished according to their sins, and go to suffer painfully in hell eternally.
The born again - redeemed and saved follower of Christ, gained peace with God here on earth and a fulfilled life, and forgiveness, peace in his mind and spirit, a meaningful and fulfilled life, walking on the way the Lord prepared for him since eternity, and will experience the fulfilling of his deepest desires, namely to spend eternity in Glory with and in the near presence of the almighty, loving, just, eternal God, eventually with his loved ones, and reign with Christ in all eternity in the heavenly kingdom, in mansions prepared by the Lord for the ones that love HIM. Many are the promises, not to be mentioned here.
The atheist, of course, can say now: Well, even if it is foolish to be a non-believer, I can't think differently or oblige myself to believe in what I don't believe. I cannot recognize Gods existence. There is no evidence for his existence.
The bible is pretty clear on this:
Romans 1. 18 - 23:
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Matthew 21:22
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
Luke 11:10
"For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." -
Daniel 12:2,3 ( King James )
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame {and} everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.
Pacal's wager is not about agnosticism. On the contrary it is was designed to inspire faith in God via an appeal to human prudence and the wager.
Now, please consider the following question;
What should a mortal person [who may be subject to eternal punishment/or eternal bliss if God exists/or who may be subject to no consequences if he does not exist] do before he or she dies?
Should he/she live like he does exist [so that if he does exist or doesn't exist ] he/she can experience eternal bliss rather than eternal judgement or so he/she neither gains or losses anything? Or should he/she live like he does not exist?---bearing in mind this, that is to say, that if he does exist he or she will be subject to eternal consequences and eternal loss.
What would should a prudent person decide to do?
This is the sought of thinking PASCAL was trying to inspire in us. This is the kind of question Pascal wants prudent people to consider before they die.
The argument [from Pascal's wager] is as follows:
1.) Every human has a decision to make before they die.
[The decision they have to make pertains to whether choose to express believe whether God exists or not; particularly because If God exists, the implication is as follows, that is to say, that those who have chosen to express their belief in him via good deeds will experience eternal bliss. And those who have chosen not to believe in him or to express belief via God approved good works will suffer eternal punishment. But If God does not exist, the implication is as follows, that is to say, that those who have who have chosen to express their belief in him via good deeds will not experience eternal bliss or anything. And those who have chosen not to believe in him or express their belief via God approved good works will not suffer eternal punishment.]
2.) if one is presented with a decision pertaining to two options----that is to say, an option that leads to either bliss or adverse adverse consequences or loss if something exists----and an option that leads to neither loss or gain if the thing does not exist----the prudent decision would be to choose the option that entails a blessing [if the thing exists] and no loss [if the thing does not exist or if it exists].
And subsequently
3.) every prudent human should decide to choose to express their belief in God via good deeds before they die.
Therefore 4.) every prudent human being will choose theism [or choose to become a theist] before he or she dies. David Salako
The Argument from Decision Theory (Pascal’s Wager)
1. Either God exists or God doesn’t exist.
2. A person can either believe that God exists or believe that God doesn’t exist.
3. If God exists and you believe, you receive eternal salvation.
4. If God exists and you don’t believe, you receive eternal damnation.
5. If God doesn’t exist and you believe, you’ve been duped, have wasted time in religious observance, and have missed out on decadent enjoyments.
6. If God doesn’t exist and you don’t believe, then you have avoided a false belief.
7. You have much more to gain by believing in God than by not believing in him, and much more to lose by not believing in God than by believing in him
8. It is more rational to believe that God exists than to believe that he doesn’t exist
Claim: Pascal's wager is invalid. How do we know that the Christian God is the true one and not a God from thousands of other religions?
Response: When you weigh the NT historical evidence against any other major or minor religion, you will discover that Christianity is far beyond any of them because Christianity is all based on eyewitness testimonies, and is backed up by external historical evidence. We have as well over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament, that fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We have the Shroud of Turin. We have with high probability found the Ark of Noah on Mount Ararat. We have evidence of the Exodus.
A cumulative case for the God of the Bible
https://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1753-a-cumulative-case-for-the-god-of-the-bible
If the weight of the Christian worldview is making sense above 50 % compared to atheism, or any different religion, then it is rational to believe in Christ, and commit living as a Christian.
Christianity has at least a 50 % chance of being true.
Therefore, it is rational to commit to live as a Christian.
Atheism is like playing Russian roulette with your salvation, but with a fully loaded gun. My atheist friend. What if you are wrong and there is a God, and you will spend eternity in constant regret for rejecting the truth?
Daniel 12.2: And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Luke 16:19-31, Lazarus and the Rich Man
In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life. The rich man is, of course, rich. They both die. The rich man goes to Hades. Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise. In Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off. He cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in flame. Abraham says no. Then the rich man asks if someone from the dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this terrible place. Abraham teaches him that that will not be done either.
Revelation 21.7
Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Neither theists, nor atheists, can demonstrate if God exists, or if the natural world is all there is.
If no deity exists, atheists will not gain anything by disbelieving in God. Then both, atheists, and theists, will die one day, and everything will be over. In a thousand years, it will make no difference, if you lived like a saint or a jerk. If atheists live their worldview consequently, then they will acknowledge that their existence is empty, meaningless, hopeless, even if they try giving a self-defined meaning, and the "show", life, is limited to here and now. When the owl whistles and death knocks on the door, everything is over, so all that atheists want to get from their lives, they have to get it here and now. Since it is so, there would be no reason to do any self-sacrifice and live altruistically. Even if in some nations the majority is incredulous, education and living standard is high, and crime rate is low, if analyzed from a wider angle, if the fear of God is removed, more people will think that crime is rewarding, and it is faster to lower or remove the bar, and give room to temptation. To steal, kill, cheat, lie, betray, etc. The consequence is more crimes, and a higher probability to end in jail. Nations would behave more egoistically, slavery would be more common. History has taught us what dictators, driven by atheistic doctrines are able to do. Go to jail, and ask a prisoner, if, while committing his crimes, he was a fervorous believer and follower of Christ, reading the Bible, and asking the Lord for guidance, and doing Christs will......
Christians, even if they were wrong, would still have gained, since living according to Christ's commands, means loving the next and live peacefully and just, according to the guidance of a higher moral standard exposed in the scriptures they believe in. That means, their life quality will still improve and be higher based on their beliefs. This is evidenced in history, where Christianity has shaped western civilization in many ways for the better. The liberties and human rights of secular governments, freedom, and rights of the individual, and so the criminal and justice system are a direct consequence of the Bible and its teachings, and so the belief that man is accountable to God and that the law is the same regardless of social position, power and wealth. The education system, care of orphans and the elders, and hospitals go back to the spread of monasteries, which were taking care of the general population. Science began to flourish in the western world, like Occam's razor in the twelfth century, and many science fathers, like Galilei, Newton, Volta, Ohm, Ampere, Kelvin, Faraday etc. were all Christians. To say that religion is venom for society pointing to all atrocities committed in the past means ignoring the fact that not all that claimed to be Christians, practised what Christ taught, namely to love their neighbour.
If the God of the Bible is real, then we all will resurrect, and, want it or not, become believers, and recognize the scriptures were true. But then its too late to repent, and change mind. Promoting an atheistic worldview and disbelieve in Gods existence then is foolish. Unbelievers lose to live according to the meaning and reason that God gave them their lives, that is to glorify their creator, know him and make him known, and they will have eventually less life quality ( for the reasons described above ), they lose their salvation, when they die, they will go immediately to the place destined to the lost, condemned souls, waiting for end trial, and be judged and punished according to their sins, and go to suffer painfully in hell eternally.
The born again - redeemed and saved follower of Christ, gained peace with God here on earth and a fulfilled life, and forgiveness, peace in his mind and spirit, a meaningful and fulfilled life, walking on the way the Lord prepared for him since eternity, and will experience the fulfilling of his deepest desires, namely to spend eternity in Glory with and in the near presence of the almighty, loving, just, eternal God, eventually with his loved ones, and reign with Christ in all eternity in the heavenly kingdom, in mansions prepared by the Lord for the ones that love HIM. Many are the promises, not to be mentioned here.
The atheist, of course, can say now: Well, even if it is foolish to be a non-believer, I can't think differently or oblige myself to believe in what I don't believe. I cannot recognize Gods existence. There is no evidence for his existence.
The bible is pretty clear on this:
Romans 1. 18 - 23:
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Matthew 21:22
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
Luke 11:10
"For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." -
Daniel 12:2,3 ( King James )
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame {and} everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.
Pacal's wager is not about agnosticism. On the contrary it is was designed to inspire faith in God via an appeal to human prudence and the wager.
Now, please consider the following question;
What should a mortal person [who may be subject to eternal punishment/or eternal bliss if God exists/or who may be subject to no consequences if he does not exist] do before he or she dies?
Should he/she live like he does exist [so that if he does exist or doesn't exist ] he/she can experience eternal bliss rather than eternal judgement or so he/she neither gains or losses anything? Or should he/she live like he does not exist?---bearing in mind this, that is to say, that if he does exist he or she will be subject to eternal consequences and eternal loss.
What would should a prudent person decide to do?
This is the sought of thinking PASCAL was trying to inspire in us. This is the kind of question Pascal wants prudent people to consider before they die.
The argument [from Pascal's wager] is as follows:
1.) Every human has a decision to make before they die.
[The decision they have to make pertains to whether choose to express believe whether God exists or not; particularly because If God exists, the implication is as follows, that is to say, that those who have chosen to express their belief in him via good deeds will experience eternal bliss. And those who have chosen not to believe in him or to express belief via God approved good works will suffer eternal punishment. But If God does not exist, the implication is as follows, that is to say, that those who have who have chosen to express their belief in him via good deeds will not experience eternal bliss or anything. And those who have chosen not to believe in him or express their belief via God approved good works will not suffer eternal punishment.]
2.) if one is presented with a decision pertaining to two options----that is to say, an option that leads to either bliss or adverse adverse consequences or loss if something exists----and an option that leads to neither loss or gain if the thing does not exist----the prudent decision would be to choose the option that entails a blessing [if the thing exists] and no loss [if the thing does not exist or if it exists].
And subsequently
3.) every prudent human should decide to choose to express their belief in God via good deeds before they die.
Therefore 4.) every prudent human being will choose theism [or choose to become a theist] before he or she dies. David Salako
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