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Did COVID-19 Virus Evolve by Natural Selection?

https://evolutionnews.org/2020/03/did-covid-19-virus-evolve-by-natural-selection/

Does the conclusion of this article fit? It goes like this:

Design and Evolution
Myers, like the Nature Medicine scientists, uses the scientific inference to intelligent design to search for (and discount) human intelligent agency. Design science is at the forefront of research on the emergence of coronavirus. Based on the available evidence and using the inference to design as a scientific hypothesis, intelligent design of the COVID-19 virus seems unlikely.

But there is another lesson about design and evolution to be learned from scientific research on this virus. Natural selection, if understood as undirected variation and differential reproductive success, is a destructive process. Natural selection destroys biological functional complexity — it produces diseases, cancer, and pandemics. It weakens and kills. Natural selection does to living organisms what rust does to a machine. Natural selection corrodes and destroys life, and plays no role in creating it.

My comment:
if the additional sequence that turns COVID 19 so lethal were a product of natural selection, as the PZ Myers claims, and Egnor concurs, the follow-up conclusion does not logically follow.

COVID 19, if it were the product of natural selection, did NOT destroy biological functional complexity. Quite the contrary is the case: scientists have not seen anything like this in previous strains. But, it was not just a single anomaly. It adds: “Before the emergence of the 2019-nCoV, this important feature was not observed in other coronaviruses.

Strikingly, the 2019-nCoV sequence contains 12 additional nucleotides upstream of the single cleavage site.”

The paper suggests that this part of the DNA chain has been tampered with for

“gain-of-function

to the 2019-nCoV for efficient spreading in the human population compared to other coronaviruses".


So the additional nucleotides did NOT deteriorate the genome but provide a GAIN OF FUNCTION, which is helping the Virus to be enormously successful.

While people are dying, the Virus is well and alive and multiplicating.

Natural selection , if it was the cause of the sequence, is in this case, a TREMENDOUS SUCCESS for the viruses...

The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32057769

Strikingly, the 2019-nCoV S-protein sequence contains 12 additional nucleotides upstream of the single Arg↓ cleavage site 1 (Fig. 1, Fig. 2) leading to a predictively solvent-exposed PRRAR↓SV sequence, which corresponds to a canonical furin-like cleavage site (Braun and Sauter, 2019; Izaguirre, 2019; Seidah and Prat, 2012). This furin-like cleavage site, is supposed to be cleaved during virus egress (Mille and Whittaker, 2014) for S-protein “priming” and may provide a gain-of-function to the 2019-nCoV for efficient spreading in the human population compared to other lineage b betacoronaviruses.

A virus, that has 30000 nucleotides, and 1.24 × 10−3 substitutions per site per year: How much time does it take to have an addition of CCT CGG CGG GCA in the genome? if that addition could be demonstrated to be plausibly the result of recombination by natural selection, then it would as well be a great argument for advocates of darwinian evolution.

Evidence of recombination in coronaviruses implicating pangolin origins of nCoV2019
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.939207v1.full.pdf

Amino acid alignment between pangolin coronavirus and nCoV-2019 at the S1-NTD subdomain results in low sequence similarity. However, increased similarity is observed from the RBD through the S2 domain. This suggests a possible recombination event between a bat coronavirus and the pangolin coronavirus at the S1-NTD and RBD junction. While there is high conservation at the amino-acid level between the pangolin coronavirus and nCoV-2019, this is not reflected in the nucleotide identity, suggesting that the proposed recombination event occurred in the more distant past, allowing subsequent time for genetic drift. One such mutation could be the insertion of the amino acid residues PRRA near the S1/S2 junction which induces a furin cleavage motif.



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Otangelo


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Obama Warned The U.S. To Prepare For A Pandemic Back In 2014

....and in order for us to deal with that effectively we have to put in place an infrastructure not just here at home but globally that allows us to see it quickly isolate it quickly respond to it so that

if and when a new strain of flu-like the Spanish flu crops up five years from now 

or a decade from now we've made the investment and we're further along to be able to catch it the funding we're asking for is needed to keep strengthening our capacity here at home so we can respond to any future Ebola cases it's needed to help us partner with other countries to prevent and deal with future outbreaks and threats before they become epidemics we were lucky with h1n1 that it did not prove to be more deadly we can't say we're lucky with Ebola because obviously it's having a devastating effect in effect in West Africa but it is not airborne in its transmission 

there are may and likely will come a time in which we have both an airborne disease that is deadly

it is a smart investment for us to make it's not just insurance it is knowing that down the road 


we're going to continue to have problems like this particularly in a globalized world where you move from one side of the world to the other in a day so this is important now but it's also important for our future and our children's future and our grandchildren's future

I cannot think of a better example of an area where we should all agree than passing this emergency funding to fight Ebola and to set up some of the public health infrastructures that we need to deal with potential outbreaks in the future 

do you know a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat as the heat comes in typically that will go away at April this moment we think we have it very much in hand dr. Fauci he said earlier this week that the lag in testing was in fact a failing do you take responsibility for that yeah no I don't take responsibility at all said that you don't take responsibility but you did disband the white house pandemic office and the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly so what responsibilities do you take to that and the officials that worked in that office said that you that the White House lost valuable time because that office wasn't disbanded what do you make of that well I just think it's a nasty question because what we've done is and Tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing and when you say me I didn't do it we have a group of people I could I could ask perhaps it may have been stray ship but I could perhaps ask Tony about that because I don't know anything about some of the people we cut they haven't been used for many many years and if they if we have a need and we can get them very quickly and rather than spending the money and I'm a business person I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need


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A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985?fbclid=IwAR1zYsHDEX61zdJRDLGdQsL7j602-QeT3zCoK4vuctLjhliGlV45Z8dOaD8

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Mutations, Recombination and Insertion in the Evolution of 2019-nCoV
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.29.971101v1.abstract

2019-nCoV has a unique four amino acid insertion between S1 and S2 domains of the spike protein, which created a potential furin or TMPRSS2 cleavage site.

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Evidence that in the last few years, laboratories have experimented to find gain-of-function motifs like the amino acid sequence PRRA in Covid 19, used by furin proteases as cleavage sites to activate infection,  causing our current pandemic outbreak !! 

Mutations, Recombination and Insertion in the Evolution of 2019-nCoV 2
March 02, 2020

2019-nCoV has a unique four amino acid insertion between S1 and S2 domains of the spike protein, which created a potential furin or TMPRSS2 cleavage site.  

Wikipedia: 4
The novel coronavirus of 2019/20 are activated by TMPRSS2

Functional analysis of potential cleavage sites in the MERS-coronavirus spike protein 3
09 November 2018, Markus Hoffmann,  Infection Biology Unit, German Primate Center - Leibniz Institute for Primate Research, Kellnerweg 4, 37077, Göttingen, Germany

Pre-cleavage at the S1/S2 motif (RSVR) was important although not essential for subsequent MERS-S activation by TMPRSS2, and indirect evidence was obtained that this motif is processed by a protease depending on an intact RXXR motif, most likely furin.

Furin is a recombinant, ubiquitous subtilisin-like proprotein convertase with a minimal cleavage site of Arg-X-X-Arg˅. However, the enzyme prefers the site Arg-X-Lys/Arg-Arg˅. 6

Discussion
MERS-CoV infection is associated with a case-fatality rate of 36% and the virus has pandemic potential
Therefore, development of antiviral strategies is an important task. The activation of the viral spike protein (S) by host cell proteases is essential for viral infectivity and the responsible enzymes are potential therapeutic targets. The cellular proteases furin, cathepsin L and TMPRSS2 can activate MERS-S and may cleave the S protein at two distinct sites, termed S1/S2 and S2′. Moreover, a potential cathepsin L cleavage site in MERS-S has been reported.

Our data support the concept that pre-cleavage of MERS-S at the S1/S2 site by furin promotes subsequent S protein activation by TMPRSS2. 

My comment:
This could DIRECT AND HARD evidence that the PRRAR↓SV sequence, which corresponds to a canonical furin-like cleavage site which is supposed to be cleaved during virus egress for S-protein “priming” and provides a gain-of-function to the 2019-nCoV for efficient spreading in the human population compared to other lineage b betacoronaviruses 1 WAS AN INTRODUCTION NOT BY NATURAL RECOMBINATION, an evolutionary process in nature,  BUT GENETIC LABORATORY ENGINEERING.

SARS-CoV-2 Cell Entry Depends on ACE2 and TMPRSS2 and Is Blocked by a Clinically Proven Protease Inhibitor 5
March 05, 2020 Markus Hoffmann,  Infection Biology Unit, German Primate Center - Leibniz Institute for Primate Research, Kellnerweg 4, 37077, Göttingen, Germany

Addition & conclusion: 
After an e-mail exchange with Dr.Hoffmann, I am concluding that COVID 19 is most probably a variation from a recombination event, that occurs naturally in nature. 



1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32057769
2. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.29.971101v1.abstract
3. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-34859-w
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMPRSS2
5. https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867420302294%3Fshowall%3Dtrue#%20
6. https://international.neb.com/products/p8077-furin#Product%20Information



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A novel bat coronavirus reveals natural insertions at the S1/S2 2 cleavage site of the Spike protein and a possible recombinant origin of HCoV-19

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.02.974139v3.full.pdf

The discovery of viruses in pangolins suggests that there is a wide diversity of CoVs still to be sampled in wildlife, some of which may be directly involved in the emergence of HCoV-19. Based on the currently available data we propose that HCoV-19 likely originates from multiple naturally occurring recombination events in wildlife. A virus from bats likely provides the genetic backbone of HCoV-19, with further recombination events with bats and perhaps other wildlife species resulting in the acquisition of the Spike protein, RBD and the polybasic cleavage site. Similar recombination events have been also implicated in the origin of SARSCoV, although it is clear that a far wider sampling of wildlife will be required to reveal the exact species involved and the exact series of recombination events.

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The dark truth about Fauci, Gates, and the Globalist Elite
https://nationalfile.com/president-trump-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/

Wuhan lab was performing coronavirus experiments on bats from the caves where the disease is believed to have originated - with a £3m grant from the US
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211257/amp/Wuhan-lab-performing-experiments-bats-coronavirus-caves.html?__twitter_impression=true

scientists there experimented on bats as part of a project funded by the US National Institutes of Health, which continues to licence the Wuhan laboratory to receive American money for experiments.

Results of the research were published in November 2017 under the heading: 'Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus.'

The exercise was summarised as: 'Bats in a cave in Yunnan, China were captured and sampled for coronaviruses used for lab experiments.

Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus
November 30, 2017
Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698
The full-length genomes of 11 newly discovered SARSr-CoV strains, together with our previous findings, reveals that the SARSr-CoVs circulating in this single location are highly diverse in the S gene, ORF3 and ORF8.

New Coronavirus Emerges From Bats in China, Devastates Young Swine
April 4, 2018
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/new-coronavirus-emerges-bats-china-devastates-young-swine

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Pandemic Preparedness in the Next (Trump) Administration - Anthony S. Fauci - January 10, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjeoU5n3M3M&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3yPYX3hIa-ZohB6nMP1byDupmLZL_REZbfm0DekEzJxF581zp-8TsiOfA

Potential Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285583/?fbclid=IwAR0iwTBSXpthqxiaZtmsnZvc95K4kTqfBvbKvavhb0oOAeUtHKiG7dFG0-A#!po=0.602410

How fast can the coronavirus mutate?
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-mutations.html

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Russian intelligence officer about the corona crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZJC9JM2u70&feature=emb_title

1. The corona virus is a biological weapon

2. Those who want a world government have spread it

3. It's about total control over humanity

4. The population reduction is also intentional

5. You want to achieve economic collapse

6. Eliminate the competition from the USA, EU, Russia and China

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The next outbreak? We’re not ready | Bill Gates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI&t=39s

When I was a kid,
the disaster we worried about most was a nuclear war.
That's why we had a barrel like this down in our basement,
filled with cans of food and water.
When the nuclear attack came,
we were supposed to go downstairs, hunker down, and eat out of that barrel.
Today the greatest risk of global catastrophe
doesn't look like this.
Instead, it looks like this.
If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades,
it's most likely to be a highly infectious virus
rather than a war.

Not missiles, but microbes.
Now, part of the reason for this is that
we've invested a huge amount in nuclear deterrents.
But we've actually invested very little in a system to stop an epidemic.
We're not ready for the next epidemic.
Let's look at Ebola.
I'm sure all of you read about it in the newspaper,
lots of tough challenges.
I followed it carefully through the case analysis tools
we use to track polio eradication.
And as you look at what went on,
the problem wasn't that there was a system that didn't work well enough,
the problem was that we didn't have a system at all.
In fact, there's some pretty obvious key missing pieces.
We didn't have a group of epidemiologists ready to go, who would have gone,
seen what the disease was, seen how far it had spread.
The case reports came in on paper.
It was very delayed before they were put online
and they were extremely inaccurate.
We didn't have a medical team ready to go.
We didn't have a way of preparing people.
Now, Médecins Sans Frontières did a great job orchestrating volunteers.
But even so, we were far slower than we should have been
getting the thousands of workers into these countries.
And a large epidemic would require us to have hundreds of thousands of workers.
There was no one there to look at treatment approaches.
No one to look at the diagnostics.
No one to figure out what tools should be used.
As an example, we could have taken the blood of survivors,
processed it, and put that plasma back in people to protect them.
But that was never tried.
So there was a lot that was missing.
And these things are really a global failure.
The WHO is funded to monitor epidemics, but not to do these things I talked about.
Now, in the movies it's quite different.
There's a group of handsome epidemiologists ready to go,
they move in, they save the day, but that's just pure Hollywood.
The failure to prepare could allow the next epidemic
to be dramatically more devastating than Ebola
Let's look at the progression of Ebola over this year.
About 10,000 people died,
and nearly all were in the three West African countries.
There's three reasons why it didn't spread more.
The first is that there was a lot of heroic work by the health workers.
They found the people and they prevented more infections.
The second is the nature of the virus.
Ebola does not spread through the air.
And by the time you're contagious,
most people are so sick that they're bedridden.
Third, it didn't get into many urban areas.
And that was just luck.
If it had gotten into a lot more urban areas,
the case numbers would have been much larger.
So next time, we might not be so lucky.
You can have a virus where people feel well enough while they're infectious
that they get on a plane or they go to a market.
The source of the virus could be a natural epidemic like Ebola,
or it could be bioterrorism.
So there are things that would literally make things a thousand times worse.
In fact, let's look at a model of a virus spread through the air,
like the Spanish Flu back in 1918.
So here's what would happen:
It would spread throughout the world very, very quickly.
And you can see over 30 million people died from that epidemic.
So this is a serious problem.
We should be concerned.
But in fact, we can build a really good response system.
We have the benefits of all the science and technology that we talk about here.
We've got cell phones
to get information from the public and get information out to them.
We have satellite maps where we can see where people are and where they're moving.
We have advances in biology
that should dramatically change the turnaround time to look at a pathogen
and be able to make drugs and vaccines that fit for that pathogen.
So we can have tools,
but those tools need to be put into an overall global health system.
And we need preparedness.
The best lessons, I think, on how to get prepared
are again, what we do for war.
For soldiers, we have full-time, waiting to go.
We have reserves that can scale us up to large numbers.
NATO has a mobile unit that can deploy very rapidly.
NATO does a lot of war games to check, are people well trained?
Do they understand about fuel and logistics
and the same radio frequencies?
So they are absolutely ready to go.
So those are the kinds of things we need to deal with an epidemic.
What are the key pieces?
First, we need strong health systems in poor countries.
That's where mothers can give birth safely,
kids can get all their vaccines.
But, also where we'll see the outbreak very early on.
We need a medical reserve corps:
lots of people who've got the training and background
who are ready to go, with the expertise.
And then we need to pair those medical people with the military.
taking advantage of the military's ability to move fast, do logistics
and secure areas.
We need to do simulations,
germ games, not war games, so that we see where the holes are.
The last time a germ game was done in the United States
was back in 2001, and it didn't go so well.
So far the score is germs: 1, people: 0.
Finally, we need lots of advanced R&D in areas of vaccines and diagnostics.
There are some big breakthroughs, like the Adeno-associated virus,
that could work very, very quickly.
Now I don't have an exact budget for what this would cost,
but I'm quite sure it's very modest compared to the potential harm.
The World Bank estimates that if we have a worldwide flu epidemic,
global wealth will go down by over three trillion dollars
and we'd have millions and millions of deaths.
These investments offer significant benefits
beyond just being ready for the epidemic.
The primary healthcare, the R&D,
those things would reduce global health equity
and make the world more just as well as more safe.
So I think this should absolutely be a priority.
There's no need to panic.
We don't have to hoard cans of spaghetti or go down into the basement.
But we need to get going, because time is not on our side.
In fact, if there's one positive thing that can come out of the Ebola epidemic,
it's that it can serve as an early warning, a wake-up call, to get ready.
If we start now, we can be ready for the next epidemic.
Thank you.




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There are THREE distinct strains of the novel coronavirus in the world 10 Apr 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8204255/amp/There-THREE-separate-types-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR22icjZJD5SO9Qw1o8rUvfXi8JmkOWGIZs2Dru7UywUacs45ppcthY-_90

Two coronavirus-infected people died in Santa Clara County on Feb. 6 and Feb. 17, the medical examiner revealed Tuesday, making them first documented COVID-19 fatalities in the United States. 1

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-21-20-early.aspx

Silicon Valley was an early center of the coronavirus outbreak. So far it has reported nearly 2,000 cases and eight deaths. There have been growing concerns that the new coronavirus has been in California longer than experts first believed.  Local health departments and others suggest it was “a lot longer than we first believed” — most likely since “back in December.”

“The fact that there were deaths related to covid back in early February is very significant because it means the virus was around for a lot longer than was initially realized,” Jeff Smith, a physician and the county executive in Santa Clara, told The Washington Post. “It’s been around for a while and it’s probably been spreading in the community for quite some time.” 2

It is not yet known exactly how the two people became infected, but Sara Cody, the county’s public health officer, told The Post that the cases are thought to be community transmissions. “From what I understand, we don’t know of any travel history,” said Cody, who is a doctor.


1. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-21/autopsies-reveal-first-confirmed-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-occurred-in-bay-area-in-early-february
2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/22/death-coronavirus-first-california/



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Roger Stone: Bill Gates may have created coronavirus to microchip people
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/roger-stone-bill-gates-may-have-created-coronavirus-to-microchip-people/

Storing medical information below the skin’s surface December 18, 2019
Specialized dye, delivered along with a vaccine, could enable “on-patient” storage of vaccination history.
The research was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Koch Institute Support (core) Grant from the National Cancer Institute.
http://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218

Bill Gates: Keine Massenversammlungen ohne globalen Impfstoff mehr!
https://www.cashkurs.com/wirtschaftsfacts/beitrag/bill-gates-ueberschreitet-rubikon-keine-massenversammlungen-ohne-globalen-impfstoff-mehr/?fbclid=IwAR1XWObVF3Hcr3BrCHQ9qj30Hj_t_ZDK_w6RdIkC-gb6UjP_cugT9C4X1oM

Bill Gates – der Mann, der die Pandemie kommen sah
https://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/coronavirus-bill-gates-der-mann-der-die-pandemie-kommen-sah-ld.1551317?mktcid=smch&mktcval=fbpost_2020-04-11&fbclid=IwAR3o_La_MWaB1GKX7Wweh_FHiMwuJ8FLhjz9KZ2re-CGGF5VXYIa17YTaEs

Ground Control to Planet Lockdown: This Is Only a Test
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/04/02/ground-control-planet-lockdown-only-test/

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as a prevention: a combination of daily doses of Vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc (not zinc-citrate!), as well as social distancing. Very useful is also a vaccination against pneumococcus as prevention of lung complications. As treatment we don‘t know no for sure. Hydroxychloroquine combined with Azithromycin and zinc sulfate looks promising but it has to be taken under medical control of a doctor and may not be overdosed. Remdesivir, Ivermectin, and APN01-ACE2 look promising as well but data are insufficient. This is all no medical recommendation and is coming from a fossil guy without any medical expertise.

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Dr. Judy Mikovits:

I imagine these people stand to make hundreds of billions of dollars that own the vaccines and they'll kill millions as they already have with their vaccines there is no vaccine currently
on the schedule for any RNA virus that works.  Its very clear this family of viruses was manipulated and studied in the laboratory, where the animals were taken into the laboratory, and this was what was released, whether deliberately or not. That cannot be naturally occurring. Somebody didn't go to a market and got a bat. The virus didn't jump directly to the humans, that's not how it works. That's accelerated viral evolution. If it were a natural occurrence, it would take up to 800 years to occur, This occurred from SARS1 in a decade. That's not naturally occurring. It occurred between Fort Detrick, North Carolina, and Wuhan Virology Institute.

crickets chirping...

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why did Google remove the video from YouTube ?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ale4k9xIyHyc/

Dr Judy Mikovitz BSC 1980
Plandemic
:15 One of the most accomplished scientists of her generation
1:15 "charged with nothing, no charges" from wiki "On November 18,
2011, she was arrested in her Ventura County, California, home and jailed for 5 days.[7]
Her lawyer said she was arrested on charges of theft brought by the WPI, but that the charges had no merit.[8]
By November 28, after negotiations with the WPI, some lab notes were returned.[9] Later, the criminal charges against her were dismissed by the Reno, Nevada, District Attorney's office.
3:10 cant get lawyer to defend
4:00 "if we dont stop this now" "an forget about our republic, our freedom, our humanity"
4:45 "what Fauci is saying is absolute propoganda" in regards to current Corona Virus
10:15 "not anti vax, advocates for immune therapy" (labelled as antivac on wiki)
10:30 "virus manipulated, came from a lab"
11;00 "if natural occurance would take up to 800 years to occur" ... right, like the flu takes 800 years to change from one type to another...
12:20 "My job was to teach Ebola how to infect human cells without killing them" "Ebola couldnt infect human cells until we brought it into the lab",, Ebola first outbreak was 1976, she got her Bsc in 1980
13:55 the two miracle doctors resurrected from infamy, "pressured to add CoVid", debunked, tired of it....
14:10 interviewer "skew data to CoVid", other doc "fear great way to control people", debunked, again, tired of it, China vastly underreported deaths, gave people false sense of security, many still underreport, US wanted to gather all info
15:00 "$13000 paid by medicare for Covid admission, $39000 paid for ventilator... ", false news, very bad false news to someone who has been following this.
The US is a Four tier health care system. Top tier for the rich, second tier for the HMO's insurance, you hope you have coverage. Third tier is medicare, for the old people. Fourth tier is all without coverage, county medical.
The discussion early on was how to make sure everyone gets treated for it, so the US admin decided to extend medicare to everyone without insurance to cover them, did not matter their age,
so they would need to be CoVid to be covered, and it was far more expensive to have someone on a ventilator. Was their potential for abuse of that, for sure, unethical and illegal, but where there is money involved yes.
Were the hospitals incentivised to put them on CoVid if they werent? not a chance, disgustingly fake news, reprehensible.
15:40 Italy, they had the flu shot, thats why it hit them so hard.... ok.....
16:40 Hydrochloroquine... same doctor comes up later..
18:30 Natural remedies, old drugs, shut down by big pharma, cant patent, no profit, ya, I get that.
18:40 flu vaccines increase odds by 37% of getting CoVid,, based on an old coronavirus study (but she is not an anti-vaxxer)
19:20 miracle pair again... immune system drops when not exposed all day every day to foreign pathogens.. not sure how that works with measles, smallpox, debunked, you have a gazillion germs and viruses in your house, lots to keep your immune system happy.
19:40 miracle pair still going, "shelter in place your immune system drops", sure
20:15 miracle pair, "viral flora", might not want to test that theory in Africa if there is an Ebola outbreak, might not work out so well.
20:35 Miracle pair "Guarantee when we reopen there will be a huge amount of disease rampant" Maybe they got confused from their school which taught them about bubble kids who could not be exposed to any germs or viruses,
and somehow thought that applied to peoples homes
maybe they should come up to watch David Suzuki show you around his house and all the bugs that are in it...
20:50 She is back, now she says "wearing a mask activates your own virus, getting sick from your own viruses", ok, now I am really confused,
first the miracle pair says we need lots of bugs to keep us healthy (generally true), and she says wearing a mask activates our own bugs to make us sick, which is it? Do our own bugs make us healthy or sick,
do masks make us sick? If masks make us sick, why do doctors, nurses, dentists wear them? In Wuhan, mortality of doctors was very high for those first infected, before they got good at wearing the full PPE.
22:10 close beaches. Ya, I get that, but if the beach is packed, too many people too close, it is a spreading event. Giving fines to single people on the beach is just as dumb
22:10 spreading of propaganda and hate.. yep, see that lots, especially from the denial crowd, security guards getting shot for advising to wear a mask, people wiping their snotty noses on store clerks for being asked to mask up.
22:40 the Hydroxychloroquine doctor upset but they make it seem like he is ranting about what they just broadcast, not the hydroxychloroquine issue.
not impressed, yes big pharma wants to make money, and will do nasty things to make that happen, but all credibility is lost when they use the miracle docs to back them up....
why do I call them the miracle docs? They got a doctor degree, and run a big business, without a basic understanding of math, no understanding of exponents, or statistics.

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It is a fact that this Coronavirus was engineered at universities in the US (University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) and Canada (University of Manitoba) in addition to the infamous lab in Wuhan (with expertise also provided by Professor Charles Lieber of Harvard).
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
(see below for more links and excerpts)
"[I]nitial research on the COVID-19 outbreak led nearly immediately to the work of Dr. Ralph Baric. A microbiologist and chemistry professor at the University of North Carolina who had raised the eyebrows and the ire of the immunological community in 2015 by undertaking an unauthorized “gain of function” study for the synthesis of a supercharged SARS coronavirus. Work strictly forbidden by both the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization. Both Baric’s hubris in ignoring a CDC/WHO contravention against gain of function studies and his clear disregard for the consequences of his activities immediately captured instinctual attention as someone whose activities bore closer inspection for potential connection to the Wuhan crisis that is now a global pathogen gaining momentum with each passing day.


All that was missing was a direct connection between Baric’s maverick killer coronavirus research and the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan at the (Wuhan Institute for Science and Technology) that serves as China’s only bioweapons research facility, located in the very city where the COVID-19 pandemic began."


http://www.shadolsonshow.com/…/covid-19-born-in-north-carol…
Here is more information on Ralph Baric:
https://www.emedevents.com/speaker-profile/ralph-s-baric
While "all of the researchers involved [at the University of Manitoba] are believed to be Asian" - probably because they were the ones with the most expertise, and often people managing research projects believe that having a common first language is an asset - a few of the researchers were kicked off the research team based on reported suspicions of revealing secrets to people in China. I believe that they were trying to warn people in China what these viruses were designed to do.


According to Brian Owens ("Mystery surrounds ouster of Chinese researchers from Canadian laboratory"):
"Canadian researchers are reacting with puzzlement to the news that a “policy breach” has caused the nation’s only high-containment disease laboratory to bar a prominent Chinese Canadian virologist, her biologist husband, and a number of students from the facility.


On 5 July, officials at the National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg, Canada, escorted Xiangguo Qiu, biologist Keding Cheng, and an unknown number of her students from the lab and revoked their access rights, according to Canadian media reports. The Public Health Agency of Canada, which operates the lab, confirmed it had referred an “administrative matter” matter to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but said it would not provide additional details because of privacy concerns.


A number of observers have speculated that case involves concerns about the improper transfer of intellectual property to China. (All of the researchers involved are believed to be Asian.) But Frank Plummer, a former scientific director of NML who left in 2015, says the lab isn’t an obvious target for academic or industrial espionage. “There is nothing highly secret there, and all the work gets published in the open literature,” he says. “I don’t know what anyone would hope to gain by spying.”


The lab works in a wide range of biomedical fields. Qiu is known for helping develop ZMapp, a treatment for Ebola virus that was fast-tracked through development during the 2014–16 outbreak in West Africa. She has repeatedly been honored for her work on that project, including with a Governor General’s Innovation Award last year.


“While I was there [Qiu] was always highly regarded as a scientist,” says Plummer, adding that he was “shocked and puzzled” when he heard she was being investigated. “She maintained connections with China, but as far as I knew she was a regular Canadian scientist.”


Cheng, Qiu’s husband, also worked as a biologist at NML. And both researchers held adjunct faculty positions at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg. It says it has terminated their positions and reassigned their students as a result of the investigation."
https://www.sciencemag.org/…/mystery-surrounds-ouster-chine…#
The below is the opinion of Horace R. Drew, PhD, Cal Tech, Microbiology, renowned expert on DNA and co-author of a widely used university textbook:

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