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The doctrine of hell

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1The doctrine of hell Empty The doctrine of hell Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:49 am

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The doctrine of hell

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Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Why Would God Punish Finite, Temporal Crimes in an Eternal Hell?
http://www.str.org/blog/why-would-god-punish-finite-temporal-crimes-in-an-eternal-hell#.Ut1KfbS5eUk

Is Hell real?
https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/hellreal.htm

https://www.gotquestions.org/hell-real-eternal.html

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the Grave
https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/hell-sheol-hades-paradise-and-the-grave/

hell is a just requirement in a just Universe. Some humans have appeared to have escaped justice in this life, while others have been treated very unjustly to the point of torturous death. Yet God in His Justice and Mercy has also set aside a day of Judgement where Divine Justice is ultimately served.
http://carm.org/hell

Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable.  We hear stories of hell being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history, many authors have written about it--Dante's Inferno, for example.  Western culture is very familiar with the concept.  Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies.  Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible.  But even the doctrine of hell is not without its controversy.  Some say it is only the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire.  Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of God.

The words associated with Hell

Gehenna
In the OT the word for hell is 'ge-hinnom,' meaning "Valley of Hinnom."  It was a place to the southwest of Jerusalem. This place was once "called 'Topheth' and derived from an Aramaic word meaning 'fireplace.'  It was here that some pagan kings practiced human sacrifice by fire (2 Chron. 28:3; 33:6; Jer. 7:31; 32:35).1 This is probably why in the NT the word came to be associated with destruction by fire.  The word 'gehenna' is found in the NT 12 times and every instance is spoken of by Jesus. In the NT, "gehenna" is used of a condition and never of a place.

Hades
This word only occurs in the NT ten times and corresponds to the OT word "sheol."  Jesus uses the word four times: Matt. 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23.  The other six occur in Acts 2:27, 31; Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13, 14.

It was probably the "subterranean abode of all the dead until the judgment.  It was divided into two departments, paradise or Abraham's bosom for the good, and Gehenna or hell for the bad."2 In particular, in the account of Lazarus and the Rich man of (Luke 16:19-31), it is the place of the conscious dead who are wicked.

Sheol
"The Hebrew word Sheol is probably derived from a root "to make hollow," and was seen as the common receptacle of the dead and in the great many places the word appears in the OT, it is referring to the grave.3 It is a place and is mentioned in Gen. 37:35; Num. 16:30, 33; Psalm 16:10, etc. Sheol has many meanings in scripture: the grave, the underworld, the state of the dead.  It was supposed to be below the surface of the earth (Ezek. 31:15,17; Psalm 86:13).

Is Hell Eternal Conscious Torment?

There are some Christian groups and many cults that deny the idea that hell, in the general sense, means eternal, conscious punishment.  Some maintain that God's eternal punishment is annihilation or non-existence.  Others say it is temporal, and that eventually all will be saved out of hell. Perhaps the most common objection is that a loving God would never punish people in eternal torment.  We agree that God is love (1 John 4:Cool, but He is also just (Neh. 9:32-33; 2 Thess. 1:6) and eternal (Psalm 90:2; 1 Tim. 1:17 ).  God punishes the evildoer (Isaiah 11:13), and this punishment will be eternal.  But the question remains, is this eternal punishment conscious or not?

There are verses that can be interpreted to support the idea that the dead are not conscious after death: (Ecc. 9:5--the dead know nothing4 and Psalm 146:4--their thoughts perish--are good examples.)  Other verses compare the dead to sleep: Acts 13:36; 1 Cor. 15:1-6; 1 Thess. 4:13, etc.  But these latter verses are merely comparing the similarity between the appearance of the dead and the appearance of someone sleeping.

The Dead are Conscious After Death

The wicked descend alive into Sheol
Num. 16:30, "But if the Lord brings about an entirely new thing and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that is theirs, and they descend alive into Sheol, then you will understand that these men have spurned the Lord . . .  33 So they and all that belonged to them went down alive to Sheol; and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly."

Cast to outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth
Matt. 8:12, "but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Those cast into the fire suffer consciously
Matt. 13:41-42, "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”  See also Matt. 13:50.

Cast into a tormenting fire
Rev. 14:9-11, "And another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.  11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."”  See also, Rev. 21:8.

Thrown into the lake of Fire
Rev. 20:10, "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."


Hell is a place of eternal fire and punishment

Unquenchable Fire
Matt. 3:12 "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Eternal Fire
Matt. 25:41, "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels."

Eternal Punishment
Matt. 25:46, "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The word "eternal" in both places is "aionios" which means 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be; 2) without beginning; 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting.  The word "punishment" is the word "kolasis" and it means "to punish, with the implication of resulting severe suffering--'to punish, punishment.'"5

Eternal Fire
Jude 7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

Thrown into the lake of Fire
"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Lake of Fire
Rev. 20:15, "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Luke 16:19-31, Lazarus and the Rich Man
In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man.  Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life.  The rich man is, of course, rich. They both die.  The rich man goes to Hades.  Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise.  In Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off.  He cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in flame.  Abraham says no.  Then the rich man asks if someone from the dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this terrible place.  Abraham teaches him that that will not be done either.

Some say that this is a parable.  However, if it is, it is unique because no other parable actually names a person.  It isn't a story.  It is history.  It really happened.  But many who believe in no consciousness after death will say it is still a parable. The question is then if it is a parable, what is it teaching?  If hell fire is false and if self-awareness after death is also false, then Jesus is using false doctrines to teach a truth.  Parables illustrate truth.  If it is a parable, what does the consciousness after death symbolize?  Also, what does the agony in flame symbolize?  Are they not real?  Of course they are.

Conclusion

Hell is a real place.  It is not mere unconsciousness.  It is not temporal.  It is eternal torment.  Perhaps that is why Jesus spoke more of hell than heaven and spent so much time warning people not to go there.  After all, if people just stopped existing, why warn them?  If it was temporal, they'd get out in a while.  But if it were eternal and conscious, then the warning is strong.

Jesus said, "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.  30 "And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell." (Matt. 5:29-30).

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2The doctrine of hell Empty Re: The doctrine of hell Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:09 pm

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Jonathan Blocher
There is a Greek word that means eternal: αιδιος (aidios). It is used in Romans 1:20 to describe God's "eternal power and deity." But it is not used in the NT to describe the punishment of humans in an afterlife. Instead, the word αιονιον (aionion) is used, which is the adjectival form of the word αιον (aion) from which we get our word eon. Unless it is referring to God, it usually means a period of limited duration. In common usage, it could mean one man’s lifetime or a few generations. 



There is a Greek word that unequivocally means retributive punishment: τιμορια (timoria). But it is not used in the NT to describe the punishment of humans in an afterlife. Instead, the word κολασιν (kolasin) is used. Originally it was used to describe pruning vines or trees to make them more fruitful. When applied to humans, it means a corrective or remedial punishment.



In Matthew 25:46, Jesus says that those who fail to show compassion on the suffering will go away to a κολασιν αιονιον (kolasin aionion). Unfortunately, most popular English translations render this as "eternal punishment." However, the literal translations (such as Young's, the Concordant, Weymouth, or the new translation from David Bentley Hart) render these words something like "an age-long chastisement" or "the discipline of that age."


Historically, the word hell has picked up too much baggage to be a meaningful translation of the state that Jesus describes as Gehenna. It's more like an age of purification, administered for the benefit of its subjects, to eventually make them fit for citizenship in the kingdom of heaven.


This is not a new doctrine. It was widely held by many leaders of the early church such as Clement and Origen of Alexandria, and by some who helped formulate the Nicene Creed, such as Gregory Nazianzen and Gregory of Nyssa. They called this teaching apokatastasis, which means “the restoration of all things.” Although they were universalist, they were considered completely orthodox by the early church.

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3The doctrine of hell Empty Re: The doctrine of hell Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:58 am

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Ask Me About Hell. I’ve Been There. PUBLIC PODCAST at NCSU (w/ Angel Garcia)
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4The doctrine of hell Empty Re: The doctrine of hell Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:23 pm

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When I was 10, I saw for the first time photos taken when the concentration camps were liberated. That experience shocked me into learning everything I possibly could about what led to those horrors.
For the next three years I read everything I could, and among other things it made me question whether everlasting hellfire was a just punishment for even a lifetime of atrocities. After all, why should the Nazis get 400 years less punishment than cannibal Caribs?
God is just, indeed His Justice is perfect, so I decided that everlasting hellfire could not be true.
Everything I've learned since then, including Jeremiah 7:31, helped me understand that the wages of sin is death, not eternal fire.

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